长江商学院，你听我说

inspire

以下是引用CKGSB_MBA2005在2005-3-1 10:55:00的发言：
有一点我不明白，我所见过的长江的学生没一个英语如grossman 好，而且可以说，根本没发和grossman比，他真是长江的学生？有如次好的英语，还去长江混？

我怀疑这位朋友对长江的了解太少, 就在这里随便评论. 任何一个有判断力的MBA申请人, 都能看出你这几句话的狭隘和偏激.

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-3-2 8:20:24编辑过]

mooncake

please let us know more about CK, inspire. it seems that you are an CK insider.

wang16

以下是引用似水年华在2005-3-1 10:48:00的发言：
奇怪，那么敏感、机灵，充满商业嗅觉的的长江，为什么肯放弃CD这么好的宣传阵地？grossman应该提醒他们一下呀！

错了。。。

据我所知，长江对CD上的情况相当了解。。。

甚至能把一部分同学的ID和姓名对上号。。。

哈哈。。别把别人当傻子

CEIBS_MBA2005

CKGSB is a good school. And grossman is good too.

But I want to challenge you, grossman, you defend CK unhesitatingly MERELY because you really think that CK is a place where you can fulfill all that you desired as you had claimed? Or because something else?

At least four people have switched from CEIBS to CK during last three years. As everyone can easily figure out, it is not so-called “career development”, but quite opposite, the money that attracted these four people, including Dean Xiang himself, to be CK. The reason is simple, even three years ago, CEIBS is acclaimed as top business school in mainland and at that time CK is nothing. Why were such four smart guys not willing to stay at the GROWING, PROMISING, RESPECTED, and GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED business school in which they have many things to be proud of? Why switched to a brand-new one that they have the same function, same position, same title? Handsome payment can only give us satisfactory explanation.

Dear friends, suppose you are one of them, you are working with such leading university as laceName>PeikinglaceName> laceType>UniversitylaceType> as a professor, and now a billionaire want hire you with the same salary and same status in another institute that nobody knows, what kind of decision would you make?

I am not blaming such behaviors because pursuit of physical rewards, say money, is feasible. That is something can really bring us good life, right? What I am saying is that you, grossman, should not do such humiliatory things as compromise or discrediting the reputation of your previous work place just because you want to please your new boss. Such activity would definitely be considered discredit. NOT ALL PEOPLE who breast-feed you is your MONTHER, remember?

Of course I am not criticizing Mr. Li Ka-shing neither. I have no right to do so, and I know this precisely. Mr. LI is a respected business leader and I firmly believe that most students, MBAs or EMBAs, of CEIBS actually admire him and are inspired by him. But please do not mix up Mr. Li with some staffs working in CK. Do not ABUSE his name for God sake, ok? That will backfire. That is something is opposite to Mr.Li’s will.

And if you guys insist to do so, I mean, abuse. Ok, I can readily cite one simple fact to warn you, the fact that has been demonstrated by hundreds and thousands historical events in our 5000-year long history.

No businessman is popular all the time.

(Forgive me, Mr. Li, my role model, I really do not want to curse you. Forgive me)  

fly028

对相当部分人的言论感到很失望，感觉缺乏应当具备的理性与宽容。学校的好坏不能作为绝对的标准对学生的素质进行评判。每个学校都有好的学生也有滥竽充数之流，不见得HARVARD 的都比CEIBS 强。特别，商学院MBA教育更有不同于其他专业的地方，更强调人的综合素质的培养。读书的目的是为了以后更好的工作，为了求知解惑，不是相互攀比，不要说 CEIBS 或CKGSB ，就是HARVARD 也都没什么好炫耀的。或许，大家会认为这是SOUR GRAPE REACTION ，可是事实上，成功的企业家不太会吹嘘自己的DIPLOMA ，相反，一事无成的人会拿自己当初的学历当救命稻草。BUSINESS 最强调的是实际的东西，陈天桥、黄光裕都没有读过MBA ， 但是我没有看到国人MBA中有比他们更成功的。当然我没有否认MBA教育会有助于今后事业的发展，陈、黄没有读MBA 可能不是不认可这个教育，而是没有时间或好的机会，这也是我准备读MBA的原因。大家为什么不以一颗平常心去面对将来的学、生活、工作呢？

CEIBS_MBA2005

might i ask how many 陈天桥、黄光裕 there are in china? and how many ceos without mba there are in usa?

CEIBS_MBA2005

以下是引用fly028在2005-3-3 23:13:00的发言：
对相当部分人的言论感到很失望，感觉缺乏应当具备的理性与宽容。学校的好坏不能作为绝对的标准对学生的素质进行评判。每个学校都有好的学生也有滥竽充数之流，不见得HARVARD 的都比CEIBS 强。特别，商学院MBA教育更有不同于其他专业的地方，更强调人的综合素质的培养。读书的目的是为了以后更好的工作，为了求知解惑，不是相互攀比，不要说 CEIBS 或CKGSB ，就是HARVARD 也都没什么好炫耀的。或许，大家会认为这是SOUR GRAPE REACTION ，可是事实上，成功的企业家不太会吹嘘自己的DIPLOMA ，相反，一事无成的人会拿自己当初的学历当救命稻草。BUSINESS 最强调的是实际的东西，陈天桥、黄光裕都没有读过MBA ， 但是我没有看到国人MBA中有比他们更成功的。当然我没有否认MBA教育会有助于今后事业的发展，陈、黄没有读MBA 可能不是不认可这个教育，而是没有时间或好的机会，这也是我准备读MBA的原因。大家为什么不以一颗平常心去面对将来的学、生活、工作呢？

but you are right in some way. i agree partly.

lzhang2000

fly028: I am with you!! That is a mature attitude to take an MBA!!!

fly028

无论 陈 还是 黄，在国内有大批的商业优秀人士没有受过正规的MBA学习足以说明MBA 不是万能药。我想强调的是我们的商业环境是在中国 NOT USA 。我还是比较喜欢这句话：MBA可以让你锦上添花，不能雪中送炭。我的一个部门经理也是国内较有名气的MBA 但不是CEIBS ，（否则我不会想去读了，哈。。），他实际的工作能力很让我失望。我有好多朋友、客户在CEIBS 读EMBA ，其实我自己也有机会去，但是放弃了。我不是诋毁MBA的教育，我只是希望大家不要陷入MBA的误区，不要把自己仅仅定位成一个较高级的打工仔 ，这实际有背MBA的宗旨，而耽误了大家的美好前程。我宁可多会花多些时间 陪老婆看肥皂剧，而不愿把时间浪费在无意义的争吵上。无意争辩什么 ，若有得罪的地方请原谅。

长江长

楼主的名字很有意思。不知道是lubricated 还是non-lubricated？讲的话倒是ultra-thin。