金融硕士澳洲还是加拿大

cheesechan

jiayou啊 发表于 2015-1-19 18:21
兄弟，可能我们的眼界不一样。你可能要求比我高吧，你可能是认为什么银行副总裁和证券公司老总之类的吧。 ...

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I do get what you mean..........it's about industry, not about the level of the position.

For Canada and Aus, I guess there are less than three school that are really regarded within China (i guess Toronto for sure, UBC, McGill, Western is quite bit marginal already; Australia one are even a bit below......i guess people will heard of three or four of them, but none of them are viewed as really good one)

at the end, Canada and Australia are not really good place for finance / business.



Finance is a competitive industry everywhere............unless you already had quite some related experience, the name of university matters a lot.


P.S. your example of the "本科人大，研究生香港中文经济系" simply shows how competitive the job market is.....

cheesechan

jiayou啊 发表于 2015-1-19 18:14
只是说为什么澳洲排名会这么前面呢，其实论录取难道的话。美国tpo80甚至tpo100以后的学校都比澳洲八大难 ...

throw those world ranking (especially QS) into rubbish bin.
FT may be a bit better for reference, but have to be careful about the fact that reputation differs a lot in different place.

澳洲八大 <------- quite a strange way to analysis things like this, as the top and the bottom of Uo8 differs a lot already. (be honest, i need wiki in order to count all of them......)

Indeed, the majority of 1st tier US business school / univeristy don't offer any MSF.......
and actually I also don't get the point of applying for US MSF that are not well heard of in home country, except betting on getting an internship/job experience in US before going back (which is way more difficult than one can imagine......)

jiayou啊

cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-19 20:02
"可是美国的tpo不是说进就进的啊。实力不行啊"
then don't dream too much about
"在中国从事高端金融行 ...

朋友你申请了什么学校或者在美国念吗？ 是不是也是学金融的吗。美国没申tpo50，英文短板这个我必须承认，但也不是说金融差，毕竟在中国混还是专业知识更重要。我说的是中国，中国的投行一般我们说中信证券，国泰君安么这些，再加上私募，我们国家不叫投资银行，而且我把私募和风投也包含进去了，说以才说是“高端金融”这么个泛指。要说再高级不就是高盛中国和摩根么，这些难我还是知道的。但并不是所有investment bank都很难。尤其中国人比较喜欢关系，胜过能力。

jiayou啊

cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-19 20:08
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I do get what you mean..........it's about industry, not about the level of t ...

谢啦。回复的非常认真

jiayou啊

cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-19 20:10
throw those world ranking (especially QS) into rubbish bin.
FT may be a bit better for reference, b ...

帮助了我很多，至少知道对于这个问题应该怎么思考。说到底还是美国的金融名校对我们留学生帮助最大。再次感谢

cheesechan

jiayou啊 发表于 2015-1-19 21:14
朋友你申请了什么学校或者在美国念吗？ 也是学金融的吗。美国没申tpo50，英文短板这个我必须承认，但也不 ...

1. if you aim at something technical, don't go for a MSF. Finance is not a place for technical person - it is more about sales and networking (yes, even for ibank, VC, PE........practical experience >> academic study, soft skill is way more important; financial modeling is never counted as anything difficult / technical when you compare it to science & engineering; only exception maybe financial engineering)

2. that's why i say ibank level instead of ibank........simply lazy to think of the list. why ibank but not VC/PE are more freq. mentioned in recuirtment is because VC/PE like to take experienced applicant rather than fresh grad much more than ibank......

3. indeed i will say things outside US top 50 wont worth it either.......none of them (well........i can miss one or two but the general picture will be so) are heard of / well-regarded back in China, and have a decent chances of staying.......

4. US is not really a place for MSF. they simply dont value it much in the education system. either had intern and return-offer while UG, or MBA later, and the quant part gone to MFE. As far as i remember, MIT is the only 1st tier uni in US offering MSF (put the technical Princeton MSF and Columbia BS MSFE out of the picture first)

5. I will agree that your mindset is partial correct that going to a non-names school in US is worst than the named one outside US. but seldom does the canadaian and australian one is well regareded indeed.
suggest you better look into other place of the world. HK, SG, UK, EU.......

P.S. be realistic

ly19880413

jiayou啊 发表于 2015-1-19 18:11
可是美国的tpo不是说进就进的啊。实力不行啊，美国排名80以后的学校和这些国家比呢？
在美国读个什么别 ...

JHU的MSF不太难吧，招400多个，虽然质量一般，商学院刚成立不久，但是JHU综排厉害，国内名气大，回国就靠这个可以给你不错的起步。悉尼就算了，我了解国内HR都很不屑悉尼（你懂的），墨尔本，澳国立都还好些。SG的南洋理工金融，中文授课，难度也不大，NTU的国内名气，我觉得至少也比美国30以后学校响吧。实在不行，SG的新加坡管理，金融在SG就业也不错，混几年回国。加拿大SFU，金融质量不错，就是就业在温哥华没指望，回国名气也不够你的要求。HK学校不了解

cheesechan

jiayou啊 发表于 2015-1-19 21:27
帮助了我很多，至少知道对于这个问题应该怎么思考。说到底还是美国的金融名校对我们留学生帮助最大。再次 ...

Stay: look at the target list of BB, and the location (theory), and placement (empirical)
Back: ask yourself and some friends - which school you know before application......? (but not the city)

cheesechan

ly19880413 发表于 2015-1-19 21:45
JHU的MSF不太难吧，招400多个，虽然质量一般，商学院刚成立不久，但是JHU综排厉害，国内名气大，回国就靠 ...

JHU business school is far from top.

I bet I will see the depreciation of JHU MSF in the near future if they are really increasing the intake that much -- it is just like printing more money, which will have no effect in medium term.

It simply take some time for the HRs to realize that the school are printing $$ (increase intake, decrease intake quality)

at the end, the name of the university will only earn on a ticket for interview, and if one is not good enough (either originally / effect of education is small), one won't get the offer.

jiayou啊

cheesechan 发表于 2015-1-19 21:40
1. if you aim at something technical, don't go for a MSF. Finance is not a place for technical pers ...

get.
thank you ~
确实告诉了我别人是怎么思考的。学习了