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cheesechan

feifei1171 发表于 2014-11-22 03:26
想再特别说明一点，虽然CD里面可能是大牛+在国内申请的居多，所以对于申请MBA的要求和看法都比平常人高了好 ...

so-called positive distrimcation appears is since the American like to do things in this way:
they simply have a quota, roughly, for each type of people, and then within each type, select the top.

and since in general the Asian are doing well academically..........and the slot for them are not as much as others, a higher standard results.
中國大陸的國際生這個問題更嚴重的原因只是, 基數更大.
Admission standaard is something like: China > some other Asian country > white > black in general.....(not sure where the Indian are.......maybe with the Chinese..)



In general, MBA is about buying a name, a network, but not really something solid; so ranking is ultmost importnt.
As you don't have the visa concern as many chinese student here on CD, actually you can try some lower-rank but with regional power university, which internatioanl should never consider as local small company will not consider them since troblsome visa. (but then CD is not the right place to ask)
and in that case, you may also consider other program before MBA, as MBA in general require working experience so that the students can "network" effectively, but not wasting time on fresh graduate that have little to offer.



對於讀/做business and finance的人來說, 學歷之類往往是其次的 - 最重要的是, 相關工作經驗.........so i think it is better for you to look for a job, work a few year, know what you really want & need, and then study again <--------- which will benefit you more.

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cheesechan

feifei1171 发表于 2014-11-22 04:40
MBA is about buying a name  是这样的吗？
我看了一些帖子，包括一些英文的文章，都说MBA ...

MBA is indeed a general business training......
for thos without previous business background (e.g. engineering guy), this will be a good preparation for them as they climb up the career ladder and need knowledge other that their orginial displine.

acadmically, MBA is not really more difficult than BBA, the major difference is: when a group of classmate, all with decent working experience, can learn from each other throuhg various practical case study, presentation and etc......see how other displine are, try to cooperate/communicate with different kind of people (or different culture), and that's why good MBA emphasis on diversity and working experience.

you can see that what's the most important in a MBA is nothing solid/acadmic, it is all about business - you need the name of the school to support it. It is not like a technical master - in which the company will focus on more skillset. the major feeder of MBA are investment banking, managing consultant, and some other, in which ibank, and consultant are both clinet facing ("I am a XYZ MBA") will be a good title to show their value.

In the US way, master is only a bonus, never something compulsory in general (unless JD/MD/........)
bachelor is the core, the core of the core, the most important fundation education.
here is US, you even dont need a master if you go PhD, which is the nearly the rule of thumb other than US.

MSA is somehow useful as accountant stuff need some credit /education (i don't know that in detail, but MSA can help someone to switch into it at least), MSF is basically waste of $$ in US system.
a pre-experience (business) master is rare under US system compared to other place, say Europe...

P.S. you will easily find handy of sharing that saying MBA is very very great experience, for sure some think so.........but remember, MBA is always a big business and hence profit source for any top business school

fengfenglee

cheesechan同学说的很对呀，你现在需要雪中送炭，而MBA是一个锦上添花的东西，添的是学校名气和校友network， 什么宝贵知识，人生经历，contribution to community什么的都是为了好听说出来的。

cheesechan

fengfenglee 发表于 2014-11-22 05:03
cheesechan同学说的很对呀，你现在需要雪中送炭，而MBA是一个锦上添花的东西，添的是学校名气和校友network ...

as far as i know, MBA will be most useful to followings:
1. no education background in business, e.g. an engineering with few year of experience need some business exposure for marginal position. (it is far easier for an engineering to learn business, rather than find a business man to learn engineering, indeed later is next to impossible.)
2. someone with some decent working experience, but without a good name univeristy for bachelor. (adding a big name MBA will open many many door in this case)
3. someone wannt go management consulting, after few year of working experience in certain field.
4. ibanking, indeed I dont think this is a good way to do it, especially after crisis. sale and trading will be too expensive (MBA require too high slary), M&A / IBD will only need the fina side (account & law too) but not general managment. I guess they will like to have some accountant, paralegal and etc to do the practical stuffs, and what MBA can target for is only those position need a network to find business.
5. someone really need a career switch, switching from A to B, where A and B are basically unrelated. They need a repackage, repackage themselves as someone with board exposure in general business.
6. ...........

P.S. indeed MBA is never a must for business manager........who gonna want to waste two year of time (salary is one thing, but also two year of working experience) to study some trival stuffs if one's career is smooth and excellent? at least, part-time MBA will be their first choice.

A good MBA is a springboard, it's about repackaging...........to order to achieve some goal (common one are switch in location / role / industry).
but at the very first hand , 會有東西可以repackage才行....


To 樓主: (我都係直接D吧啦)
發夠夢就俾心機想清楚自己想點, 你不想找工作, 其實是逃避中, just afraid and dont wannt to face any realy challengue.
跳晒step咁, 正職都無一份, 就想一D應該三五年之後先研究的東西.
at the end, 除非你屋企富貴到你可以成世人都唔駛做野, 否則你最後都係要面對的. 避避避, 你避得一時, 避到一世咩?

littlelazy

mm，上面得意见都很真实宝贵。一句话说，mba是锦上添花，不是雪中送炭，而你目前，是企图将之当成救命稻草。这肯定是不现实的。

首先，mba录取是个双向的过程，不仅是你向从商学院身上要什么，还有你可以向人家贡献什么的因素。这俩因素，前者你没有想清楚，即使所认为的financial service，因为你没有工作经验，是否真是内心所求你自己都无法说服自己，更无法说服ao；后者，你所能贡献的的确不多（请原谅说的这么直白），也许你战胜抑郁重新认识自我是一个非常了不起的事情（我也很佩服这个，不管如何你已经有了这个了不起的念头了）

其次，mba所谓的锦上添花，或者buying a name，是有其道理的，如果有过硬的背景，加上两年集中火力学学习和社交，是能够给人一个新的平台重新更上一层楼的；按照你目前的条件，拿到全奖恐怕不易（不管是哪个level），所以肯定是要花钱的；你职业目标没有想清楚，没有工作经验，两年时间唰地过去了，不知道你是否能handle的了那课程（不是怀疑你智商，是说真正理解那些课程是需要阅历支撑的，因为mba真不是基础教育），然后出来顺利找到工作？

再次，你怕找工作所以埋头考试想mba。这个心态是不合适的。有了mba这个念头就要知道这意味这什么，时间金钱就业压力社交职业规划爱情家庭样样你的拿手里掂量，样样需要勇气。

我建议你：

1）首先和家人建立沟通，勇敢地说出自己的害怕。你这3年都不愿意联系，工作也没找，他们居然都不知道不担心？除非你家庭比较奇葩，否则绝大部分父母肯定是支持关爱你的；

2）多出去交朋友，多做点自己喜欢的事情，多出去旅游，美国风景那么好，千万别宅家里。把心情调理过来

3）好好锻炼身体，把身体养好。

4）以上三件的同时，找到工作，积累工作经验

5）同时多了解mba，或者其他比较好就业的master，从那作为起点来个转折。

如果真想试一试，今年考完试也不妨试一试看看，既然人在美国，也可以多多访问学校，看看学校program如何，什么人再申请，要求咋样，自己的长处和短缺比起这些要求如何，如果没有中，也好歹加个经验以后申请也比较顺利。

祝你好运！

kwok007

feifei1171 发表于 2014-11-22 03:26
想再特别说明一点，虽然CD里面可能是大牛+在国内申请的居多，所以对于申请MBA的要求和看法都比平常人高了好 ...

The reverse discrimination is against Asian Americans, please see this article just posted on WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/harvards-asian-problem-1416615041

They are talking about undergraduates, but b-schools are pretty much same in their admission processes because candidates with similar background are in the same pool. So nowadays in the admission process, Asian males are most discriminated against, followed by white males. I am still not sure how B-school AdCom differentiates Chineses undergraduates with US degree vs. Chinese degree.