对于去美国学会计硕士的一些疑惑

yuefpan

cheesechan 发表于 2014-11-10 23:03
1. not much idea about marketing. but one question come to my mind is, do you desired job role rea ...

多谢前辈耐心回答。因为本科学的大多偏理论，技术性不强，在这边有试着找过intern不过被老美各种虐。。。所以研究生想读有关marketing analytics的那种program。这种marketing analytics的项目很少，什么rochester啊， JHU之类的，地理位置好像不如NYU。

cheesechan

yuefpan 发表于 2014-11-10 23:36
多谢前辈耐心回答。因为本科学的大多偏理论，技术性不强，在这边有试着找过intern不过被老美各种虐。。。 ...

if the type of role you are looking for doesn't require a master, you will still being 各种虐 被老美 after you get a master........
I am not sure what technical skills you mean (技术性), since marketing is in gernal not really technical stufss, unless you go really quantitative (and in general international student need to be stronger that the local one in technical as they are seldom as good as them in soft skills and etc)

i will doubt if a part-time program in a continuous education help you in technical side..........
there maybe lots of practitioner which you have chances to networking, sharing some practical stuffs.......but they seldom go into technical as working professionals are all busy.....


my feeling is.........not to mention marketing, even (general) finance is something that are not really technical, like sci/engineering.
what is most important to find a job will be one's soft skill like communication presentation, adoption to the culture and mindset of the country, which surly put international student at disadvantage, since they are easily find lots of US student to do it better and without any trouble in seeking a visa.
unless someone is born in US or have a green card or eqv already, the problem remains.......especially when US education focus much more on showing off / presentating / marketing oneself than nearly any other place of the world.

yuefpan

cheesechan 发表于 2014-11-10 23:49
if the type of role you are looking for doesn't require a master, you will still being 各种虐 被老 ...

前辈的回答很中肯，也很有帮助。其实我在undergrad期间还算蛮social的，在学校办公室做marketing part-time, 老外社团当exec member, 跟老师各种social，Job fair各种去（虽然拿了不少interview，但是多数一听你是国际生还是秒拒）。。。但是我个人的感觉就是，undergrad marketing能找到的都是entry level，然后老外也是各种竞争，确实在soft skill方面要比他们差点，不过communication， presentation方面也不弱。所以现在大四了，吸取曾经的教训，感觉还是要学点techinical的东西会好点，希望能在US干几年再回去。

NYU那个项目可full time可part time， F 2年， P 5年，我打算白天去上班晚上去上课

cheesechan

yuefpan 发表于 2014-11-11 01:28
前辈的回答很中肯，也很有帮助。其实我在undergrad期间还算蛮social的，在学校办公室做marketing part-ti ...

even you are open-minded.........as an international student, you still lack the visa.......

US never short of students with excellent short-skill, so even you are as good as them, this is not enough....you simply need to be way better - but for soft skill........it is kind of next to impossible to fight with the locals, especially when US education place the most emphaiss on it, not to mention lanauage or whatever.

if you want something technical, for market analytics or whatever business/financial analystic, i will suggest you go to do something related to data anlaysis, statistics, programming or whatever. Going quantitative (or computer) is one of the best way to let them to consider an international student as US student are genearlly much weaker in math-related stuffs (and that's why STEM have longer OPT........they simple don't have enough labour force for it)
of course, this required your interest in the area, and some basic math (calculus 123, linear algebra, prob & stat, regression/econometrics) as preparation.
i will indeed say doing a soft major in US, and hoping to stay for a job afterward is a horrible plan for international student in general.......


doing a program in full-time mode for 2 year, and then working in the day is a good plan.........iff you find a job
did a US study visa allow students to work outside campus?........
anyway, don't expect things from business school are technical enough (of course there are exception, but they are exception rather than the rule), not to mention those from "night school".

yuefpan

cheesechan 发表于 2014-11-11 01:37
even you are open-minded.........as an international student, you still lack the visa.......

US ne ...

是的，前辈的建议其实跟我想的几乎是一样的。不过现在的问题是（我相信大多数mkt学生也纠结的是）各种因素的权重问题（我考虑的有）： location， overall reputation， ranking， program period, curriculum etc. 很多学校都不错，比如rochester， JHU，UMD等，不过似乎location太偏了，不利于找工作。。。并且项目时间很短，大多为1年。。。

cheesechan

yuefpan 发表于 2014-11-11 01:46
是的，前辈的建议其实跟我想的几乎是一样的。不过现在的问题是（我相信大多数mkt学生也纠结的是）各种因 ...

I dont think a master in market will help your profile...........especially when you already have a soft bachelor.....

i will suggest you to look into something in statistics.......(maybe also business analytic?)
P.S. out topic: in general i wont suggest doing the same major in bachelor and master unless someone place to go academic, namely MPhil/PhD. (or regulation/license requirement)
the marginal benefit will be a bit higher to have also exposure on a related displine.

basically none of the school you listed are good enough to conquer the location issue, and those with good location are not really good enough.

if you can find a job with a pure marketing background, you should at least had got an intern already.
in practical but not really technical field, working experience is the most important, but not your academic background, unless you get into a really big name university.

yuefpan

cheesechan 发表于 2014-11-11 01:51
I dont think a master in market will help your profile...........especially when you already have a ...

多谢前辈的建议，抱歉问这么多问题，不过好像marketing analytics和business analytics还是有些出入的，marketing偏向统计软件的应用，如SPSS，SAS，R等，分析消费者的行为之类的；而Business analytics更偏重一些商业分析软件的应用，如VBA,SQL，etc？(不是特别懂这行，有问题请指出）。个人还是偏好使用统计软件的program，因为现在在跟教授做research，有用到这些东西，反观BA的那些我就一点也不懂了。。。

cheesechan

yuefpan 发表于 2014-11-11 02:13
多谢前辈的建议，抱歉问这么多问题，不过好像marketing analytics和business analytics还是有些出入的，m ...

i am not really sure about business analytics too..........but i guess the difference will be between data analysis in business and data anlaysis in marketing stuffs.

SQL is some database stuffs.......you will face it oneday......
SPSS is basically piece of cake, can self-learn
R is useful, same for SPSS.

what i am not sure is.......how "hard" can a program from business school be?
i dont mean it is not "hard" enough, but they are in general a bit too applied nature.

it doesn't means that being applied is not good, but make sure that they train you analytical mindset, and practical experience well, which I dont believe a continuous education school will be excellent in.


You will need something of good quality + good location/good reputation, but as far as i see on the list of school mentioned here, none of them qualify well.
you may feel that the stadnard that i say of good is too high, but at the end, it is the market but not me to judge.........

NYU-SCPS is as mentioned.
Rochester UMD is too far from NY, but actually they are decent, and you may look at the opptunity nearby (guess worth looking for umd but not rochester…) (marketing is not finance, i.e. not only NY)
JHU is too new to judge, i will stay conservative.

yuefpan

cheesechan 发表于 2014-11-11 02:22
i am not really sure about business analytics too..........but i guess the difference will be betwe ...

多谢前辈百忙中抽空回答那么多问题，我会再好好考虑选校以及毕业去向问题，希望今后有机会还能多多交流，少走弯路。祝工作顺利，身体健康

elshaa

别囧了，好好研究各个学校的招人政策和往年偏好，有准备的上吧！