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IE Business School 2013 Nov Intake 录取了,烦恼中

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171#
发表于 2013-7-3 12:23:01 | 只看该作者
这几个IE的学生的留贴,确实看到了IE的学生素质,和IE学校的好坏。

一个不用GMAT也可以上的学校,一个99.99%的公司不知道的学校,一个有几个IE学生推广大使没事就在CD上大把大把码字的学校,而且这几个推广大使的素质。。。好不好,大家都知道的。

172#
发表于 2013-7-3 13:33:09 | 只看该作者
星星点灯2010 发表于 2013-7-3 12:23
这几个IE的学生的留贴,确实看到了IE的学生素质,和IE学校的好坏。

一个不用GMAT也可以上的学校,一个99.9 ...

你是啥货色大家是更知道的,哈哈,其实你真的挺可悲的。
173#
发表于 2013-7-3 14:31:02 | 只看该作者
星星点灯2010 发表于 2013-7-2 12:53
欧美社会非常讲诚信。撒谎不是好孩子,不太像在德企里工作过几年的。如果以后你真有机会去德语区工作,在 ...

所以说,好多时候都是看你在尚自妄加判断,妄加评论,人家撒不撒谎,人家动不动肝火,你都能表达的很干脆,你真的很不成熟。你这样的人,总有一天会被人搞掉,我说的直一点,你还是自己注意下吧,这个社会不能这样混的,到时怎么死的都不知道。
做人还是厚道些比较好,真心奉劝,好自为之吧。
174#
发表于 2013-7-3 15:23:51 | 只看该作者
MarcDeu 发表于 2013-7-3 14:31
所以说,好多时候都是看你在尚自妄加判断,妄加评论,人家撒不撒谎,人家动不动肝火,你都能表达的很干脆 ...

我觉得这个帖子的讨论越来越夸张了:从讨论学校本身,发展到人身攻击, 现在开始人生道理。

我还是几点看法: 第一,我不关心谁是哪里的,我只关心根学校相关的事实和“有用”的信息, 因为只有这个才“有用”。  我发觉这里有的人,特别是IE的某位学生,有浓重的“阴谋论”情节,似乎别人说什么都是有目的的。  别人说什么不同意见,发什么帖子略为不赞同的观点, 就是因为“IE威胁到了某些人的利益”,就是“某些学校招生”, 实在莫名其妙!!   按照这个逻辑, 我看这位IE同学喋喋不休的说教,才是目的性最强!   为了免得人家说我有“目的”,我在此贴后不在评论这个帖子和IE!!  请CD各位潜水的同学还是多看事实, 少听“忽悠”。

第2,某位同学说什么根IESE的同学很熟,“那个学校学生还比我小三岁”,言下之意,自己多么高明,经验多么老到。  其实逻辑上更加混乱。  我记得以前这位同学公开说另外一位经验年龄比自己丰富的网友“很失败”,说人家的经验和判断什么都不是。  按照同样的逻辑,我想说, 在年轻的MBA看来,这位IE网友的所谓经验、人脉其实啥也不是,至少不比其它网友强! 在中国,有这种思维逻辑的人实在太多太多了。

最后说到人生道理,我非常赞同那位IE网友说好, 来这个板块看帖子的是为了“有用的信息”。 有些人自以为自己“厚道”,自以为“公正”, 其实恰好是和稀泥, 没有任何“有用的信息”。 这个板块,这个基本的做人道理更需要懂得, 是吧?   

最后我自己要分享的一个做人道理呢, 就是做人不能太自以为是。有的人面对比自己经验丰富的就说经验这东西一钱不值,面对比自己经验少的就吹嘘自己经验老到。 其实呢, 概括起来就一条: 老子天下第一,没人可以跟我比, 这个板块我最牛,我说的一句顶一万句。  这样的人,无论中国和外国公司, 都不能走的太远吧(我虽然年轻些,但是这个职场道理我还是懂得。) 不是我地域歧视,这种口无遮拦、大话连篇、自以为是的人在东北人里很多,特别是东北农村很多(我不少东北同事,只是就事论事)。
175#
发表于 2013-7-3 15:39:03 | 只看该作者
真有意思,说比我小三岁还在IESE算是年级比较大的是为了反衬出两年制MBA跟一年制度的MBA学员组成的区别,这都扯到哪跟哪儿啊...

在CD所有发言不是“隐性”就是“显性”针对IE,或者就跟COMI兄说的:“都是针对你”,再多说什么都是无意义...

176#
发表于 2013-7-3 15:47:57 | 只看该作者
MarcDeu 发表于 2013-7-3 14:31
所以说,好多时候都是看你在尚自妄加判断,妄加评论,人家撒不撒谎,人家动不动肝火,你都能表达的很干脆 ...

其实我很多次都已经明确放出信号:你不惹我,我不理你,相安无事。稍微有点做人常识的人都知道,适可而止,这种“纠缠”早就结了。
有人用言语骂他,说实话,我觉得也不好,但穷追不放,进而攻击人,攻击学校,没完没了,不知进退,不知适可而止,用我们家乡的话说:哥们,差不多少就行了。
在社会上,这种人只能被搞掉,而且只能狠狠的搞。



177#
发表于 2013-7-3 16:35:46 | 只看该作者
mbaer_123 发表于 2013-7-3 15:23
我觉得这个帖子的讨论越来越夸张了:从讨论学校本身,发展到人身攻击, 现在开始人生道理。

我还是几点 ...

论坛里都素不相识,也不了解,都是就事论事,都是从留言中去判断为人。
做人是必须要讨论的,做人要厚道,这是大实话,否则很多事情无从开展讨论。

你也愿意这么长篇大论,说明你也是个热心的、健谈的人。只是不要套号就可以了,我多虑了,请勿责怪,谢谢。
178#
发表于 2013-7-3 17:40:38 | 只看该作者
MARCDEU同學給出了一個邏輯: 從留言中判斷一個人

我延伸下: 能不能接受(并非同意, 冷靜的看和聽就夠)不同觀點也能判斷一個人


順便看看一個外國人怎么看待中國古人的吧

(François Jullien) 他1998年的著作《圣人没有观点》(A Sage Has No Ideas)是于连的著作中被翻译成最多种文字的书。他说,中国思想家使用智慧,不是“观点”,而西方哲学家是通过抽象和构建来工作。中国人接受现实作为提供智慧的自然,任何抽象的观点因而成为对自然的偏见。因而君子避免抽象观点,而欧洲人不过让自己和真正的哲学的距离更远。

http://www.aisixiang.com/data/16375.html


順便推薦下法國哲學家François Jullien. 他給出了另外一個角度看待中國的戰略 (war strategy)和希臘文化為首的西方文化

The Propensity of Things: Toward a History of Efficacy in China
這本書也很精彩
179#
发表于 2013-7-3 18:48:50 | 只看该作者
ccafic 发表于 2013-7-3 17:40
MARCDEU同學給出了一個邏輯: 從留言中判斷一個人

我延伸下: 能不能接受(并非同意, 冷靜的看和聽就夠)不同 ...

谢谢解读。

接受不同的观点是应该的,只是有时候表达方式的迥异会带来截然不同的结果。当然,不期待结果随便谈论的除外。
180#
发表于 2013-7-3 19:49:00 | 只看该作者
MarcDeu 发表于 2013-7-3 18:48
谢谢解读。

接受不同的观点是应该的,只是有时候表达方式的迥异会带来截然不同的结果。当然,不期待结果 ...

MarcDeu 不客氣 LOL

我同意你說的表達方式會影響要想表達的結果, 很多時候都不是自己的本意. 對方的理解也有肯呢個出現偏差. 所以, 回到你前面說的討論的重要性了.

我以前跟臺灣的同學講話, 他們都會一臉認真聽的表情, 雖然也是無關緊要的話題或者不感興趣的話題. 這個態度我自己也要繼續學習.

再分享一個 10 RECIPES FOR BETTER THINKING

我覺得2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8說的都很好, 對我們網上發帖也很有幫助

10 RECIPES FOR BETTER THINKING
How action-focused business leaders can sharpen their thinking skills
By Professor Jacques Horovitz - May 2013

The fact is, when you teach business, you have to know business. So it's no surprise that some of the best professors are those with significant experience from the world of business. Yet, I've found some significant distinctions between academia and practitioners. For example, while a professor relies heavily on concepts and theories and prefers to maintain neutrality, a businessperson favors taking action, relying on "what worked before," and is unafraid to take a stance. Additionally, a professor focuses on a single discipline and appreciates diversity of thought, but a businessperson is required to respond to a variety of stimuli and is pressured to make quick decisions. In other words, a professor is required to think more than he or she acts, while a businessperson is expected to act far more than he or she thinks.

Though the expectations and methods of reasoning may differ between these two worlds, their styles of thinking are not contrary to one another. In fact, combining elements of both styles of thinking actually prove quite beneficial for a businessperson. As such, I've discovered through my experience in both academics and business, ten strategies that can sharpen the thinking of business leaders, equipping them to make smarter, more informed decisions in their fast-paced environment.

1. Carve out time to think  
Today's culture is driven by instantaneity; what is happening today, right now, is of the utmost importance. Too often in our immediacy, small problems become big problems and we assume there is no time to think about work on a deeper level. Sometimes we need to carve out time in our day or week to simply take time to think. This of course looks differently for different people, but carving out moments to think allows for the visualization of tomorrow's trends and options and produces more informed decisions.

2. Conceptualize daily observations
Drawing concepts from "what works" in everyday life observations helps in transferring concepts and ideas to business. Concepts can become our guides for future actions and applying them can cast necessary light on complex situations or pending decisions.

3. Listen to others to expand your thinking
Too often company directors don't listen as much as they talk, or only listen to what confirms their own statements. Challenges can lead to improvements, but having such a posture prevents one from being challenged by others. Listening means hearing without interrupting, asking open-ended questions, and rephrasing concepts to ensure that they are understood. Listening more helps in confronting our own ideas, hypotheses, and convictions with those of others, making us think of other possibilities instead of simply repeating "what's worked before."

4. Allow space for constructive doubt  
Does self-confidence always equate to efficiency? Having doubts actually allows space to contemplate alternative solutions, approaches, and "tomorrows" previously unconsidered. Self-questioning does not mean we don't know what we're doing, it simply means answering questions on a deeper level that serve to either reinforce or alter our convictions, arguments, and viewpoints.

5. Step outside the box
Addressing doubt leads to discovering alternative approaches to an existing problem. However, some situations require creating a new reality altogether, which forces us to step outside of our comfort zone and be creative. New places, environments, and ways of thinking are all opportunities to stimulate creative thinking, but require us to get outside our homes and offices, social and professional networks, and our typical sources of information.

6. Expose yourself to new stimuli
Being surrounded by diverse stimuli helps to fuel deeper thinking in business. For example, I belong to the hospitality industry, but I do not go to hospitality trade shows; I prefer concept hotels, restaurants, or retailers. Thus, the people I mix with come from all walks of life, since "social consanguinity" only reinforces right-thinking conformity.

7. Provoke others' ideas to challenge your own
In today's media-dominated societies, it is difficult to form an independent opinion and it requires a fair amount of intellectual courage. On the other hand, taking the opposite stance and challenging prevailing ideas thwarts nonsense and also strengthens personal viewpoints as one who is free to think. Opposition reminds us that there might be other viable alternatives and strengthens an idea by better identifying its advantages and disadvantages.

8. Write ideas down and let them mature over time
Ideas and thoughts are fleeting; so one helpful habit to adopt is to write down ideas and thoughts as they come so they can be revisited later when they need to be transformed into action. This enables us to strengthen and flesh out the ideas in greater depth at a later date and also increases the chances of acting on them in the future.

9. Nurture lateral thinking  
New ideas can be found all around us, many of which can be transferred to our personal or professional lives, no matter how unrelated they may seem at first glance. Many new ideas come just by observing others and transferring ideas or concepts to a specific context.

10. Consider problems as opportunities
Call this a positive attitude, optimism, or self-persuasion, it doesn't matter. Inverting the assertion "I have a problem" into "here is an opportunity to do better" stimulates thinking and is a recipe for success.

The fact is, in business we will continue to face situations that demand quick decisions and immediate action. However, we inevitably make better decisions and take appropriate action when we have the time to really think. Carving out time to think about pending decisions and tomorrow's trends, welcoming opposition and creativity, and embracing doubt are all practical yet meaningful ways to improve thinking processes within the business world, leading to better decisions and improved leadership.

Jacques Horovitz is Professor Emeritus of Service Strategy, Service Marketing, and Service Management at IMD, where he teaches on the Orchestrating Winning Performance Program.  

http://www.imd.org/research/challenges/recipes-better-thinkings-jacques-horovitz.cfm

ps: Liang學長, 我經常去IMD偷東西 lol
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