【千行Excel】的知识点提问- 逗号加And是否一定要补出主语？

爱思考的猴子

仔细在阅读OG12的千行Excel语法笔记，收获很大。但有一些模糊的语法点希望通过讨论能弄清楚。

逗号+and需补出主语问题-千行Excel的作者在多次强调这个语法点，并且用此语法点来排除错误选项（见下面三题）。

但我的理解是“逗号+and”不一定必须补出主谓（不补出也不算绝对错误），当然最好是能补出。例如有以下两个例子很常见：
1. 三项平列中，最后一项必须是“逗号+and"但不用有主语
2. A...that..., and that...句型中，好像也不需要补出主语。

我的理解是否正确？谢谢大家


OG12-36题
36. Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff, Deborah Sampson, the fi rst woman to draw a soldier’s pension, joined the Continental Army in 1782 at the age of 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become too ill to serve.

(A) 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become
(B) 22, was injured three times, while being discharged in 1783 because she had become
(C) 22 and was injured three times, and discharged in 1783, being
(D) 22, injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she was
(E) 22, having been injured three times and discharged in 1783, being

千行评语 C：第一个and多余；第二个and前面有逗号，根据manhattan补充的规则，and后面要补出一套新的主谓；

OG12-46题
In ancient Thailand, much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended for the creation of Buddha images and when they constructed and decorated the temples that enshrined them.

(A) much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended for the creation of Buddha images and when they constructed and decorated the temples that enshrined them
(B) much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended on the creation of Buddha images and on construction and decoration of the temples in which they were enshrined
(C) much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended on the creation of Buddha images as well as constructing and decoration of the temples in which they were enshrined
(D) creating images of Buddha accounted for much of the local artisans’ creative energy, and also constructing and decorating the temples enshrining them
(E) the creation of Buddha images accounted for much of the local artisans’ creative energy as
well as construction and decoration of the temples that enshrined them
千行评语 D: and前面有逗号，后面应该补出主谓；整个句子的句意不符合逻辑

51题
51. A new study suggests that the conversational pace of everyday life may be so brisk it hampers the ability of
some children for distinguishing discrete sounds and words and, the result is, to make sense of speech.

(A) it hampers the ability of some children for distinguishing discrete sounds and words and, the result is, to make
(B) that it hampers the ability of some children to distinguish discrete sounds and words and, as a result, to make
(C) that it hampers the ability of some children to distinguish discrete sounds and words and, the result of this, they are unable to make
(D) that it hampers the ability of some children to distinguish discrete sounds and words, and results in not making
(E) as to hamper the ability of some children for distinguishing discrete sounds and words, resulting in being unable to make

千行评语 D：and前面有逗号，应补出主语，或直接去掉逗号；

DUKB24

相对错误，并非绝对错误

GMAT这东西


只能看split来做题


没有所谓的绝对性的定义

yakev6

个人理解是这样的，comma + and 是连接独立句的必要条件，不是充要条件。
换句话说，IC __ IC (ic=independant clause) 中间只能用comma + FANBOYS
而反过来，并不是说用comma + and链接的都是独立句

gmat 这样的例子很多。千万不要见到comma + and 前后不是独立句就排除。
送几个例句
Sales of wines declined in the late 1980s, but they began to grow again after the 1991 report that linked moderate consumption of alcohol, and particularly of red wine, with a reduced risk of heart disease.

Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status.

yakev6

可能的情况有很多
1. X, y, and Z
2. N modifier1, and modfier2. (尤其当修饰语1很长时候加上这个逗号使得句子更加清晰）
3. 插入语x, and adv z, is y,
等等不穷举

爱思考的猴子

个人理解是这样的，comma + and 是连接独立句的必要条件，不是充要条件。
换句话说，IC __ IC (ic=independant clause) 中间只能用comma + FANBOYS
而反过来，并不是说用comma + and链接的都是独立句

gmat 这样的例子很多。千万不要见到comma + and 前后不是独立句就排除。
送几个例句
Sales of wines declined in the late 1980s, but they began to grow again after the 1991 report that linked moderate consumption of alcohol, and particularly of red wine, with a reduced risk of heart disease.

Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status.

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/12/12 19:09:01)

楼上总结的这一句符合我的想法：

换句话说，IC __ IC (ic=independant clause) 中间只能用comma + FANBOYS
而反过来，并不是说用comma + and链接的都是独立句

gmat 这样的例子很多。千万不要见到comma + and 前后不是独立句就排除。

请问Fanboys的全部词是？谢了！

090743

看看千行137题吧，希望会对你有帮助，我把解释贴出来
but前面有逗号不是应该接独立句子么（Ron）：

Q;Hi, I understand the parallelism concept in this exercise, but what I find confusing is the use of "but" after the comma because this usage suggests that we should look for a complete clause rather than a modifier.

A:this “rule” is not really a rule. it's an approximate guideline in most cases, but it's definitely not a strict rule.
often, the comma will be omitted when there are two complete clauses -- if those clauses are short enough to render the comma unnecessary.
also -- again quite often -- a comma will be included even if the structures are not complete clauses, especially if the structures are long enough to make the sentence essentially unreadable without the comma.
for instance:
i shut the windows and locked the doors --> this sentence doesn't need any additional punctuation.
i shut the windows so firmly that i would later have trouble opening them, and locked the doors using both the standard locks and the deadbolts --> these are not complete clauses, but the sentence is still written with the comma, because it's absolutely unreadable without the comma (try it yourself).

MOST IMPORTANTLY
PUNCTUATION IS NOT TESTED ON THIS EXAM!
don't bother with “rules” based on punctuation, because (a) gmac doesn't test them, and, more importantly, (b) the vast majority of them will not be hard rules.
the only time you'll want to mind punctuation at all is when it actually differentiates different structures: for instance, “no comma + -ing” is very different from “comma + -ing”.
but, those kinds of things aren't really punctuation issues -- they are issues concerning the resulting structures. for instance, the example i just mentioned would be a modifier issue, not really a punctuation issue.
千行里 137题的解释
a comma will be included even if the structures are not complete clauses, especially if the structures are long enough to make the sentence essentially unreadable without the comma.这句话Manhattan里也有的具体是第几章我忘了，我以前这问题纠结了好久，因为看过Manhattan以为补出主谓是必需的，现在释然了，不拿它当首要的split了

爱思考的猴子

看看千行137题吧，希望会对你有帮助，我把解释贴出来
but前面有逗号不是应该接独立句子么（Ron）：

Q;Hi, I understand the parallelism concept in this exercise, but what I find confusing is the use of "but" after the comma because this usage suggests that we should look for a complete clause rather than a modifier.

A:this “rule” is not really a rule. it's an approximate guideline in most cases, but it's definitely not a strict rule.
often, the comma will be omitted when there are two complete clauses -- if those clauses are short enough to render the comma unnecessary.
also -- again quite often -- a comma will be included even if the structures are not complete clauses, especially if the structures are long enough to make the sentence essentially unreadable without the comma.
for instance:
i shut the windows and locked the doors --> this sentence doesn't need any additional punctuation.
i shut the windows so firmly that i would later have trouble opening them, and locked the doors using both the standard locks and the deadbolts --> these are not complete clauses, but the sentence is still written with the comma, because it's absolutely unreadable without the comma (try it yourself).

MOST IMPORTANTLY
PUNCTUATION IS NOT TESTED ON THIS EXAM!
don't bother with “rules” based on punctuation, because (a) gmac doesn't test them, and, more importantly, (b) the vast majority of them will not be hard rules.
the only time you'll want to mind punctuation at all is when it actually differentiates different structures: for instance, “no comma + -ing” is very different from “comma + -ing”.
but, those kinds of things aren't really punctuation issues -- they are issues concerning the resulting structures. for instance, the example i just mentioned would be a modifier issue, not really a punctuation issue.
千行里 137题的解释
a comma will be included even if the structures are not complete clauses, especially if the structures are long enough to make the sentence essentially unreadable without the comma.这句话Manhattan里也有的具体是第几章我忘了，我以前这问题纠结了好久，因为看过Manhattan以为补出主谓是必需的，现在释然了，不拿它当首要的split了

-- by 会员 090743 (2012/12/12 20:03:49)

谢谢楼上，我仔细查了manhattan，出处应该是Chap 10 Connecting Punctuation 5th P196面。原文如下：

Do not use a comma before and to separate two verbs that have the same subject. Either eliminate the comma or add a subject to the second verb, creating a second main clause.

Wrong: Earl walked to school, AND later ate his lunch.
Right: Earl walked to school AND later ate his lunch.
Right: Earl walked to school, AND HE later ate his lunch.

曼哈顿的意思是：1.如果一个主语，两个谓语，中间用And连接，但绝不能不能用逗号隔开（上面错例）；所以千行的作者看到这条，就严格执行。
是不是曼哈顿在此处并没说清楚适用范围，例如只适用于主语+两个平行动词（不包括modifier)?

MiaZhang

嗯，LZ的理解很到位了~~~~
补充一点：虽然同一主语发出不同动作，位于的并列不需要加逗号，但是如果并列成分是三个以上，还是需要用逗号隔开的。

爱思考的猴子

嗯，LZ的理解很到位了~~~~
补充一点：虽然同一主语发出不同动作，位于的并列不需要加逗号，但是如果并列成分是三个以上，还是需要用逗号隔开的。

-- by 会员 MiaZhang (2012/12/13 9:32:44)

谢谢楼上，如果结论是“主语+平行动词”格式需要遵守此原则。那我们回到最初的三个例子，

36. Dressed as a man and using the name Robert Shurtleff, Deborah Sampson, the fi rst woman to draw a soldier’s pension, joined the Continental Army in 1782 at the age of 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become too ill to serve.

(A) 22, was injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she had become
(B) 22, was injured three times, while being discharged in 1783 because she had become
(C) 22 and was injured three times, and discharged in 1783, being
(D) 22, injured three times, and was discharged in 1783 because she was
(E) 22, having been injured three times and discharged in 1783, being

根据这个原则，请问A这个选项为什么是不需要补足主语或者去掉逗号？是因为被动吗？

OG12-46题
In ancient Thailand, much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended for the creation of Buddha images and when they constructed and decorated the temples that enshrined them.

(A) much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended for the creation of Buddha images and when they constructed and decorated the temples that enshrined them
(B) much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended on the creation of Buddha images and on construction and decoration of the temples in which they were enshrined
(C) much of the local artisans’ creative energy was expended on the creation of Buddha images as well as constructing and decoration of the temples in which they were enshrined
(D) creating images of Buddha accounted for much of the local artisans’ creative energy, and alsoconstructing and decorating the temples enshrining them
(E) the creation of Buddha images accounted for much of the local artisans’ creative energy as well as construction and decoration of the temples that enshrined them

D选项，平行词为creating, constructing, decorating,应该是属于Simple Gerund，不属于发出动作，那么应该是不属于这个原则吧？And also后是不需要补出主语的吧？