【在面试中造假后果一例】—— Lying Never Works

Karmalot

几年前事儿了：

一个学生在BAML的面试中被问到是否已收到其他家的Offer，答曰顺利进入MS第二轮面试，同时反过来在MS的面试（实际上只是phone interview）中又提及已收到BAML的Fulltime Offer邮件（自己伪造了一封转发给MS）；经BAML员工与MS有关人士沟通，双方均表示此人所述不实：既没有进入MS第二轮面试也没收到BAML Offer，于是确认此人造假，消息（邮件）迅速在各大行传播开来，各行均表示已将此人拉黑，不会在未来提供任何工作机会。


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So! Firms are starting to hire again, which is very excitingto those of you trying to improve your situation. Perhaps it’s been a whilesince a lot have gone through this process, and you’re a little rusty on theDo’s and Dont’s. Which why starting today we’ll be offering little pearls ofaccumulated wisdom picked up in the field. Tip one: don’t lie about havingreceived an offer from one firm while you’re interviewing with another. Tipone-A: if you’re going to lie about said fake offer, impersonate someone andforge a little evidence: easy on the typos. Spelling Bank of America without‘c’ is going to be a red flag. Jeffrey Chiang knows what we’re talking about.


Chiang apparently interviewed at Bank of America, where he was asked if he hadany offers from other firms. Jeffrey claimed that he was in his second round ofinterviews with Morgan Stanley. An associate at BofA then contacted his friendat Morgan about Jeffrey’s prospects. The Morgan guy said that contrary topopular belief, JC had only had a phone interview, at which time he claimed tohave gotten a full-out offer from BofA. As proof, JC provided a fabricatedemail allegedly from a recruiting woman at Bank of America, who would probablybe surprised to be informed she’d offered Chiang a job (and that she didn’tknow how to spell “America”). The Morgan people forwarded the faux letter ofemployment back to the people at Bank of America who were doing recon and fromthere it was forwarded to the entire free world.
Obviously, the lies here are not good form but what’s most upsetting is thelack of effort. There wasn’t an ounce of creativity or dancing in this scam(though we did appreciate the demand to be put up at the Four Seasons). Infact, it’s downright boring, as scams go. It doesn’t come close to a Vaynermove, and yet Mr. Chiang has been relegated to the same status as one of thegreats. (A list of firms JC will likely not be getting offers from, as gleanedfrom the outrage expressed by their employees, can be found below). Apparently,though, we now live in a world of diminished expectations where you don’t evenneed a video or a claim to bench press 500 lbs to rile people up or swearthey’ll never offer you a job. Going forward, you’ve been warned.
_______________________________________________________________
From: Jeffrey Chiang
To: [Morgan Stanley]
Subject: FW: Bank of America Merrill Lynch Interviews
From: [Fake Bank of America ML Recruiter]
To: Jeffrey Chiang
Subject RE: Bank of America Merrill Lynch Interviews
Hi Jeff,
Everyone was very impressed with your interviews today. We are excited
to formally extend to you an offer to join Bank of Ameria [sic]
Merrill Lynch as an analyst next summer. You should be getting
documentation in the mail to sign very shortly. If you have any
further questions please feel free to email me. Again, congratulations
and we look forward to having you join us next year.
——————–
From: [Morgan Stanley]
To: [Bank of America ML]
Subject: FW: Bank of America Merrill Lynch Interviews
This is what Jeffrey sent Morgan Stanley to prove he received an offer
from your firm. Given you told me you dinged him, should I assume this
is fake? If so, that’s unbelievable and his school should be notified,
he shouldn’t get a job anywhere on Wall Street.
——————–
From: [Bank of America ML]
To: [Lehman Brothers], [UBS]
Subject: FW: Jeffrey Chiang
I don’t know if this guy has come up on your radar screens in terms of
analyst recruits, but you need to be warned about him. I should have
been tipped off by the fact that he ran a “5k marathon” on his resume.
I just figured something got lost in translation.
I interviewed him on campus, and while he was pretty weird/intense, he
seemed like somebody who would crank and potentially make for a good
analyst, so we waved him in for an office visit.
Things started going bad for him when I got a call from our HR
department about him during our Superday. In making his travel
arrangements with our travel agent, he had apparently made a big stink
about needing to stay at the Four Seasons and blow up on the travel
person. It was apparently bad enough that she went to the trouble to
inform our HR department.
Our Superday reviews on him were pretty mixed, nonetheless. He had
spent a summer at Gulfstar, so I did a bit of checking on him there,
and it became clear that they were also very unimpressed with the way
that he carried himself. So, we dinged him, but that is not where the
story ends.
He had told one of the associates in our office that he was in the
second round of interviews for MS’s Palo Alto office. Well, our
associate happened to mention this to his friend that works in the MS
Palo Alto office and the associate at MS said that Jeff had had only
had a phone interview but had indicated that he had an offer from
BAML. When the MS team asked him to send proof of his offer, he
manufactured the email below and forwarded to the MS team.
We have notified UT of this joker’s behavior, but needless to say,
this guy shouldn’t be able to get a job at McDonalds after a stunt
like this.
______________________________________________________
So far employees from the following firms have been read into the situation(i.e were forwarded the above); all but one claimed to be “shocked” by this“clown” who they believe should “blacklisted,” before passing it on. Theexception was a representative of Jefferies, who said that JEF could use a guylike JC.
* Bank of America Merrill Lynch
* UBS
* Citi
* Goldman Sachs
* Morgan Stanley
* JPMorgan
* Credit Suisse
* Lazard
* Tiger Global
* Soros Fund Management
* Raymond James
* RBS Greenwich Capital
* Tudor Investment Corp
* Blackstone
* Calyon
* Blackrock
* CRT Capital Group
* Bain & Co
* BNP Paribas
* Perry Capital
* Oppenheimer & Co.
* ESL
* Citadel
* BarCap
* Deutsche Bank
* SMH Capital
* Neuberger Berman
* Goldman Sachs JBWere
* Bridgewater Associates
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Source: http://dealbreaker.com/2009/10/jeffrey-chiang-will-be-receiving-no-new-offers-of-employment/
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在面试中或者其他与专业人士打交道过程中造假是风险非常高的行为，金融圈子很小，消息通过几封邮件转发就能在系统中传播开来，奉劝各位还是诚实为上。从技术上讲，造一个假需要花费巨大的功夫打通所有关系、将全部可能涉及暴露真实情况的漏洞封堵住，一般人是做不到这一点。撒一个谎需要100个谎来圆。


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PS: 很SB的是此人BoA名字都会写错，实在是比较悲剧的liar（Bank of "Ameria")
PS2: 原文结尾处顺道黑了一下某J家投行。。。

hangli2

不光job hunting，申请学校也一样：


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From LA Times:


UC Berkeley Checking Up on MBA Students
The State
Its business school is one of a growing number of educational institutions to begin verifying whether their applicants are telling the truth.
March 15, 2003|Rebecca Trounson | Times Staff Writer


All too aware of a spate of scandals in the corporate world, officials at UC Berkeley's graduate business school are running background checks this year on all students earmarked for admission, and have recently rejected a handful for lying.


Of 100 students who have qualified thus far for admission to the fall class at the Haas School of Business, five were rejected in February after they were discovered to have made false claims about their work histories, said Jett Pihakis, director of domestic admissions for the school's full-time MBA program.


The most egregious case involved a student who had fabricated a record of promotions at his job, and included a letter of recommendation purportedly written by a supervisor but actually written by an assistant. All five had strong enough backgrounds that they would have been admitted if they had told the truth, Pihakis said.


"It's such a shame," he said. "But ethics is very important in any field, and in business right now you want to make sure that the people you're admitting are who and what they say they are."

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tantianqi100

我去，人家叫助手写推荐信就悲剧，那中国学生自己写的话。。。