请教GWD和prep上的两个问题

yiqing2012

1、关于这道题D选项，我尝试补全发现根本没有办法还原，所以觉得即使that改成了those也不对，因为D中既不是主语比较，也不是宾语比较，也不是介宾比较。。。不知道各位觉得D中that改为those，这句话对吗？

2、我不太同意LS对于E的省略，我觉得E中的省略是：at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds are currently possible，后一句话之所以没有speeds，是因为than可以兼作代词；如果是省略的部分是定从that are currently possible的话,那么这里的those是无论如何也没法省略的：at speeds (that are) much higher than those (that are) currently possible

3、另外我觉得这道题可以全部省略：an alliance ......would enable customers to receive internet data over regular telephone lines at speeds much higher than currently possible.不确定对不对。。。。

求指教~~

媛子大人

1、关于这道题D选项，我尝试补全发现根本没有办法还原，所以觉得即使that改成了those也不对，因为D中既不是主语比较，也不是宾语比较，也不是介宾比较。。。不知道各位觉得D中that改为those，这句话对吗？

2、我不太同意LS对于E的省略，我觉得E中的省略是：at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds are currently possible，后一句话之所以没有speeds，是因为than可以兼作代词；如果是省略的部分是定从that are currently possible的话,那么这里的those是无论如何也没法省略的：at speeds (that are) much higher than those (that are) currently possible

3、另外我觉得这道题可以全部省略：an alliance ......would enable customers to receive internet data over regular telephone lines at speeds much higher than currently possible.不确定对不对。。。。

求指教~~

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/19 23:54:30)

1、3、这两个问题我们楼上都讨论了，你可以看看哦~不过大家还都是模模糊糊的额我觉得
2、对于than和as在句中做比较从句的主语，这个说法挺好的，贴两个以前看到的句子：

Eg1: In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.
Were killed & would be killed时态不同进行比较时，动词不能省略
这里as应该指代many Americans

Eg2:Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than have been killed by bee stings.

我觉得和这题蛮像的～请大家再看一看～～

yiqing2012

1、关于这道题D选项，我尝试补全发现根本没有办法还原，所以觉得即使that改成了those也不对，因为D中既不是主语比较，也不是宾语比较，也不是介宾比较。。。不知道各位觉得D中that改为those，这句话对吗？

2、我不太同意LS对于E的省略，我觉得E中的省略是：at speeds (that are) much higher than speeds are currently possible，后一句话之所以没有speeds，是因为than可以兼作代词；如果是省略的部分是定从that are currently possible的话,那么这里的those是无论如何也没法省略的：at speeds (that are) much higher than those (that are) currently possible

3、另外我觉得这道题可以全部省略：an alliance ......would enable customers to receive internet data over regular telephone lines at speeds much higher than currently possible.不确定对不对。。。。

求指教~~

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/19 23:54:30)

1、3、这两个问题我们楼上都讨论了，你可以看看哦~不过大家还都是模模糊糊的额我觉得
2、对于than和as在句中做比较从句的主语，这个说法挺好的，贴两个以前看到的句子：

Eg1: In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.
Were killed & would be killed时态不同进行比较时，动词不能省略
这里as应该指代many Americans

Eg2:Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than have been killed by bee stings.

我觉得和这题蛮像的～请大家再看一看～～

-- by 会员 媛子大人 (2012/11/20 12:02:14)

其实我只是觉得prices are higher than we expected.--> prices are higher than (prices that) we expected
这个例子很奇怪，因为这种特殊的比较一般是：thanusual/ ever before/ previously expected/previously estimated/ anticipated，我也看见过than it is expected,至于than we expected我真的没看见过，希望能举出例子~~

我之所以提D选项，是因为我觉得这里at 后只能直接跟speeds，不然真的没有办法构成比较结构，因为这里比较的sppeds和主句没有关系，所以必须作为从句的主语进行比较（这句话本质上是主语比较~），所以不是简单的that换成those就可以的~

yiqing2012

我觉得DE的now的位置也有点问题。。。。

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2012/11/19 23:40:32)

D大牛的话每次都得琢磨好半天。。。是不是因为now放在开头有修饰整个后面的意思，所以不对？
如果E中把with去掉，改成
The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction,now  its numbers five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's. .
是否对？

媛子大人

我在斑竹的excel文件里发现ron说的这么一句话：
If current trends continue, by the year 2010 carbon emissions in the United States  will soar to a level more than one-third higher than that  in 1990, according to official projections.
和我们的D项，简直了。。。可不可以理解成D的that如果改成those就是对的啊！

媛子大人

yingqi2012~
1、我在elroy斑竹的笔记里看到这么一句：
状语比较：  A do sth than usual/ever before/people expected(直接加状语）
他说最后一个ppl expected是OK的~但没有例子
2、我的理解是：prices are higher than usual/ ever before/ previously expected/previously estimated/ anticipated——还原之后是：
prices are higher than they were ever before/they were previously expected
之前那句话还原之后是：prices are higher than prices that we expected
因为原句的结构就不同，所以省略后看起来不一样，但其实都省略了相同的部分，我觉得LS没必要纠结哈~

还有，昨天有个MM的帖子里总结的很好：“时间状语的比较，能否省略取决于than前面是否有相应的时间状语。有的话，than后面主句可以省略；没有的话，than后面需要补出主谓，以避免比较对象上的歧义。 ”
贴几个例子：
To develop more accurate population forecasts, demographers would have to know a great deal more than（they do） now about the social and economic determinants of fertility.  

[they do]不能省略，因为than前面没有相应的状语结构

A large rise in the number of housing starts in the coming year should boost new construction dollars by several billion dollars, making the construction industry’s economic health much more robust than (it was) five years ago.

[it was]不能省略，因为than前面没有相应的状语结构

The animosity between those who regulate and those who are regulated has never been more pronounced than in recent debates over environmentalism and pollution control.
省略了than后的主谓结构，因为这个例句中never与in recent debates相对应。

媛子大人

大家看看GWD那题A和E中at much higher speeds 和at speeds much higher这个差异点啊~我觉得这个点有问题~
LS讨论的now不管放哪，我窃以为语意上都没有变化的哇~

MiaZhang

我觉得DE的now的位置也有点问题。。。。

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2012/11/19 23:40:32)

now区别在哪里？语义上都是时间状语。。如果DE其他错被修改了的话，也看不出什么语义上的区别。。D哥再详细说说？

yiqing2012

我觉得DE的now的位置也有点问题。。。。

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2012/11/19 23:40:32)

now区别在哪里？语义上都是时间状语。。如果DE其他错被修改了的话，也看不出什么语义上的区别。。D哥再详细说说？

-- by 会员 MiaZhang (2012/11/20 18:47:43)

没错没错~ 我也不明白~

yiqing2012

yingqi2012~
1、我在elroy斑竹的笔记里看到这么一句：
状语比较：  A do sth than usual/ever before/people expected(直接加状语）
他说最后一个ppl expected是OK的~但没有例子
2、我的理解是：prices are higher than usual/ ever before/ previously expected/previously estimated/ anticipated——还原之后是：
prices are higher than they were ever before/they were previously expected
之前那句话还原之后是：prices are higher than prices that we expected
因为原句的结构就不同，所以省略后看起来不一样，但其实都省略了相同的部分，我觉得LS没必要纠结哈~

还有，昨天有个MM的帖子里总结的很好：“时间状语的比较，能否省略取决于than前面是否有相应的时间状语。有的话，than后面主句可以省略；没有的话，than后面需要补出主谓，以避免比较对象上的歧义。 ”
贴几个例子：
To develop more accurate population forecasts, demographers would have to know a great deal more than（they do） now about the social and economic determinants of fertility.  

[they do]不能省略，因为than前面没有相应的状语结构

A large rise in the number of housing starts in the coming year should boost new construction dollars by several billion dollars, making the construction industry’s economic health much more robust than (it was) five years ago.

[it was]不能省略，因为than前面没有相应的状语结构

The animosity between those who regulate and those who are regulated has never been more pronounced than in recent debates over environmentalism and pollution control.
省略了than后的主谓结构，因为这个例句中never与in recent debates相对应。

-- by 会员 媛子大人 (2012/11/20 16:34:04)

OK~ 我又忘了之前总结的比较了。。。你说的没错，一个东西纵向比较的时候因为常常没有对应的时间状语，所以要补出句子~
另外，谢谢LZ，than pl expected这个特殊比较我记住了~ps：LZ有没有看到过as...as pl expected的结构？因为一个人看的句子实在有限，所以不知道同样是比较结构，as...as pl expected对不对？