美国人眼中的 UTD 华丽丽的口碑

tonytong

我在 Wall Street Oasis 上发现的对UTD的及其客观的评价，供各位选校参考！

Hate to bring up a two month bump, but I'm about to finish my MSF at UTD.

No, there's really no major recruiting here - JP Morgan recruits somewhat for back office, but there's very little that most people here would actually desire, recruited -directly-. The FLA (Financial Leadership Association) is an excellent resource for networking and establishing yourself in competitions, and I know multiple people who have made it into IB/PWM internships with both boutiques and BB's here in Dallas through networking within the school and this organization.

However, UTD is an -amazingly- under-perceived school. The faculty are excellent (most of my profs have been Ivy PhD's with strong credibility - studied under Nobel prize winners, one of them had Bernanke on his dissertation committee). The school is on an absolutely meteoric rise, and I firmly believe it will be on par with UT Austin within the next 5-10 years. Admission standards are on par with UT Austin and higher than any other public university in the state. We just ranked #40 in the US News MBA rankings, tied with UC Irvine, Penn State, Iowa, and Tulane. But tuition is about 1/3rd what those schools are.

I'm not sure where the assumption comes from that the MSF class is small, in fact, for such a new degree at the school, it's HUGE. I'm fairly certain there are currently over 200 MSF students here. I have elective classes with nothing but MSF's in it with 40 - 50 students in it, in fact.

One reason that recruiting may be weak is that the graduate business school is absolutely -loaded- with students from India/China. I know that's a common trend in all business schools today, but it's more so here - I'd say 80% of the graduate students were born somewhere east of Pakistan and west of Japan (and never set foot in the US prior to admission). Nothing personal against them, but it can impact the networking opportunities for an American planning to make ties to the region.
You won't network yourself into one of the Dallas hedge funds straight out of school, simply because the asset management industry in Dallas is structured such that (without networking), they're really only interested in those who have done the 2-year gig already, and those opportunities don't exist much outside of New York / Chicago / California. SMU is a far better choice if you want to network your way out of those 'requirements', but it's an equivalent/weaker education at a much higher price. Hell, the former Dean of Finance at SMU teaches at UTD.

The UTD MSF is about one thing - an excellent finance education, and all the access to competitions/professors/etc that you want, and a degree that will command a much higher degree of respect several years from now (an appreciating asset) at an extremely low price... I have all the knowledge I could want for starting on Wall Street, but few connections. So just know that you'll have to do your own legwork, but it's a good leg to stand on once you've done the legwork. Just don't expect to waltz out with a BB IB gig without working for it first, like you would at HPY.

Also, to the guy who compiles the MSF website data, there's actually a lot you can find here:

http://somweb.utdallas.edu/graduate/masters/msFinance/

simeonyu

负面1.老中老印太多 -- 我们就是老中，没办法，这个负面pass
2.career service不行  -- 可能因为老中老印太多，汗，继续pass
3.Alumni资源不行 -- 太多老中老印，汗，无语中

正面
1.师资好
2.总体上升状态

sasha_wen

一个建校才40年左右的学校你要他有什么networking??

florence1014

那是美国学生的角度，挺正确的。2万多美金一个master degree，跟SMU相比，很便宜啦。

我觉得UTD在德州的口碑不错啊，比不过UT Austin是因为钱都往UT Austin去啦。个人觉得UTD不比TCU、SMU差多少，那两个学校如果没football队，不会比UTD多威风。在德州混，你要是没多少budget，UTD不挺好的么？每次有猎头和HR给我打电话，第一句话就是“wow，你的education background很impressive。”第二句话就是“有citizenship吗？”真心不觉得UTD有多差。

2年工作经验+UTD master degree+CFA Level I，感觉一般的hedge fund，比较小的咨询公司（50人左右的），还是会对你比较感兴趣，不介意H1B。有兴趣是指邀请你过去面试，但是能不能nail面试、拿到offer，就要看自己的临场能力了。

中型大小的公司最介意身份了，钱给的低，还不肯办身份。话说还是500强的公司比较不介意H1B。还有一点，有network，就有H1B；没network，直接出局。

还有啊，你们可以多看看美国公司招finance员工的标准，最基本的就是excel和Access。Excel要会Vlookup，P-table，Sumif，VB。Access要会设计database，data entry，然后run queries。更高级的就是SQL，SAP，SAS了。

前浪推后浪啊，现在chasedream上面的offer质量都特高，大家都越来越competitive，真好。

Finallz

最后的那个URL好老啊，早被我们废弃了。。

lishi87

I'd say 80% of the graduate students were born somewhere east of Pakistan and west of Japan (and never set foot in the US prior to admission).

哈哈哈哈～～～不至于这么含蓄地说印度和中国吧

simeonyu

I'd say 80% of the graduate students were born somewhere east of Pakistan and west of Japan (and never set foot in the US prior to admission).

哈哈哈哈～～～不至于这么含蓄地说印度和中国吧

-- by 会员 lishi87 (2012/4/7 5:44:14)

赞委婉

aaroncheng

这个老外好像托。。

贱才子

wallstreetoasis也有老中老印。。。。也有很多sb。。。
but no offence to utd。。。

裤裤melo

那是美国学生的角度，挺正确的。2万多美金一个master degree，跟SMU相比，很便宜啦。

我觉得UTD在德州的口碑不错啊，比不过UT Austin是因为钱都往UT Austin去啦。个人觉得UTD不比TCU、SMU差多少，那两个学校如果没football队，不会比UTD多威风。在德州混，你要是没多少budget，UTD不挺好的么？每次有猎头和HR给我打电话，第一句话就是“wow，你的education background很impressive。”第二句话就是“有citizenship吗？”真心不觉得UTD有多差。

2年工作经验+UTD master degree+CFA Level I，感觉一般的hedge fund，比较小的咨询公司（50人左右的），还是会对你比较感兴趣，不介意H1B。有兴趣是指邀请你过去面试，但是能不能nail面试、拿到offer，就要看自己的临场能力了。

中型大小的公司最介意身份了，钱给的低，还不肯办身份。话说还是500强的公司比较不介意H1B。还有一点，有network，就有H1B；没network，直接出局。

还有啊，你们可以多看看美国公司招finance员工的标准，最基本的就是excel和Access。Excel要会Vlookup，P-table，Sumif，VB。Access要会设计database，data entry，然后run queries。更高级的就是SQL，SAP，SAS了。

前浪推后浪啊，现在chasedream上面的offer质量都特高，大家都越来越competitive，真好。

-- by 会员 florence1014 (2012/4/7 3:34:11)

受教。。。