法国高商 问答帖 (改版：开放各行业讨论，不限于金融）

6002

LZ我下周要面的是HEC MIF的项目，一年＋实习，我本身的背景是[]。我职业打算是在到HEC的一年内狂投伦敦BB cib做m&amp;a或者ipo，然后会try my best留下来全职。过几年在美国读个mba，升职回美国，您觉得怎么打算可行么？<br /><br />我有2点不太确定，一是我法语基础差，2年前学过1年多，但是如果下个月定了要去一定会苦学的，我觉得去前会提高很多，我对自己语言能力有信心，但是你有说过法语不好找不到intern，在伦敦也一样么？<br />还有现在market 不太好，但是似乎又有点起色，不知道欧洲招人力度怎么样啊？<br />你在这个帖子里帮人无数，希望您能以过来人身份提点一下啊，这个决定对我人生很重要，拜谢拜谢！！<br /><br />PS. 我知道您一定有疑问为什么现在不留美，我在美国只申请了[] 想去法国diversify一下我的背景，有niche后重新冲美国最好的mba，所以做的这个打算，您觉得我前几步在伦敦留下来可行么？我怕自己这么打算的，但是没有可行性，毕竟是一年的项目，希望有个过来人指点啊，谢谢！！

Enzo孙

楼主你好，
我现在是在兰斯高商GE项目M1，之前在巴黎二大读的本科，然后通过concours（Tremplin2）进入高商。现在的专业方向是CFA，今年6月考一级。
当初选择CFA是因为，1，这是兰斯的一个独特的项目，全法只有三所高商有权授CFA的课，2，想在投行或者商业银行从事Finance de marché的工作
参加了学校的forum，看了兰斯网上的offre，用同学的号码看了ESCP的offre，然后看了楼上所有的帖子，得出的结论是，如果不是巴黎三大高商的，就基本上和投行无缘了。我想请教的是：
1，如果第一份实习不能在银行做，去一家大公司做一年contrôle de gestion，然后等到毕业实习的时候申请法国投行6个月实习的几率大吗？
2，如果直到毕业都一直没机会进银行实习，一直做的是contrôle de gestion的实习，那么想找到CDI容易吗？
3，国内的外企会怎么看待法国一年的contrôle de gestion实习经验呢？
非常感谢！！！

Derman

6002 发表于 2013-3-23 20:22
LZ我下周要面的是HEC MIF的项目，一年＋实习，我本身的背景是美国本科，实习有bulge bracket cib, 美国PE,  ...

Oh pretty impressive background. I think it's pretty possible that you will receive some interviews from some London hubs given your past experience in the industry. (BTW, is DB where you interned?) .

1. French is way less relevant when we talk about opportunities in London.
2. Europe market will be quite choppy given all that happens in the region now and then. Banks streamline but yes, they still need new blood, but will not be that easy as in bull years.
3. I'm not in that position to judge the possibility on if you can stay in LDN or not, many things happen by luck. But, it seems that your final goal is staying in US not Europe, right? Then why bother applying for HEC? only for purpose of diversifying ur b/g?

Derman

Enzo孙 发表于 2013-3-25 21:15
楼主你好，
我现在是在兰斯高商GE项目M1，之前在巴黎二大读的本科，然后通过concours（Tremplin2）进入高商 ...

CFA is a bit overestimated here, IBs care more about where u go to school, how's ur GPA, what kind of experience do you have....And it's not necessary to have CFA for jobs in Finance de marche. While i would like to say 99% of folks on the floor don't have CFA or not bother trying to get one.

1. IBs doors are still open even u don't go to Top3 Parisien. Bear in mind that there are many functions in a bank, M&A work might be more selective in terms of school b/g; but other depts like asset mgmt / wealth mgmt or project finance are way more friendly when recruiting.
    U r absolutely right, a job in controle de gestion is helpful, but I would shorten the experience of CDG from 1 year to a couple months, as it's not your final goal...the longer you stay with the job, the deeper you are stuck in the pigeon hole.

2. Yes, CDI is by far the most accessible job on the market for foreigners.

3. If you have one year CDG experience in France (would be even better if it's in the big French firms like LVMH, LOreal Danone.... names that Chinese hear of) , it will be fairly helpful for career in foreign companies in China.

6002

Derman 发表于 2013-3-25 22:29
Oh pretty impressive background. I think it's pretty possible that you will receive some interview ...

谢谢LZ!!!我明白很多东西都是靠机会的，也有很多事可遇不可求，但是即使只有小的机会我还愿意试试。我的确最终有想回到美国的想法，可能是还想去麻省的原因吧，属于心结类型。但是不是现在必须待在美国，如果能在伦敦投行工作锻炼几年我真的就很高兴了。因为听说hec在伦敦的bb的reputation也很好，所以才想申的，我自己也想去法国看看呢～ ^_^美国的话［。。。］。所以想去一家有bulge bracket 的target项目的学校，hec很好，而且听lz说法语对london recruiting影响不大就放心了。LZ也是HEC的吧，如果有机会去法国想见见LZ呢，当面取经啊！还有lz很厉害，是DB，是不是只有DB叫cib啊...

Derman

6002 发表于 2013-3-25 22:56
谢谢LZ!!!我明白很多东西都是靠机会的，也有很多事可遇不可求，但是即使只有小的机会我还愿意试试。我的 ...

oh wait, u go to Duke? Pretty good school IMO.

1. There are quite a few banks with the CIB on their names, but again, it's very easy to tell which bank you worked in, with all info in the thread (hopefully I hit the answer on which school you go to, then you should buy me a beer).

2. Yes, HEC is a target and all three Parisians are targets. You get desperate only because the program you are in is not target? Then French people will get you more desperate haha....Think it again if MA is where you really want to end up with, I don't see any reason of going to EU if staying in MA is what you want.

6002

Derman 发表于 2013-3-25 23:07
oh wait, u go to Duke? Pretty good school IMO.

1. There are quite a few banks with the CIB on thei ...

EU的MA真的这么差么...LZ认识的人最近的有没有被recruit的啊？我的确想做MA，家里欠钱了，短期还好，长期不行啊。我要是能去HEC，一定会buy you a drink的LZ是神猜，2个都对，但是还是不明白第一个是怎么猜出来的～还有，嘿嘿，如果不介意，我把某校的坏话删了，虽然都是实话，但是公共场合不好引起是非。谢谢LZ!

Derman

6002 发表于 2013-3-25 23:31
EU的MA真的这么差么...LZ认识的人最近的有没有被recruit的啊？我的确想做MA，家里欠钱了，短期还好，长期 ...

Yes, know some people recruited after summer internship.家里欠钱了，短期还好，长期不行啊. what does it mean? So, you had undergrad in US then Master in Duke, then going to EU when ur family is in debt? .....

Viviangogogo

Derman 发表于 2013-3-26 00:15
Yes, know some people recruited after summer internship.家里欠钱了，短期还好，长期不行啊. what doe ...

就这样被无视了吗？:'

JIMLEERH

别让好贴沉了，于是我继续顶起。