法国高商 问答帖 (改版：开放各行业讨论，不限于金融）

greygray

我得的奖很奇葩，一个是龙舟赛的省级第三名（我估计全国也就我这么个女生拿这个来申请出国了），一个是UI设计的省级的奖（还是很奇怪，一个工科生好好的居然会去搞设计）。现在在准备的比赛是大挑战杯，之前的创业项目参加了小挑战杯，拿了全国奖，但是我不在参赛人员里，只是在后面搞开发帮忙的。反正都是和商科无关的奖。。。。。。这样的经历是不是和没有一样啊？

写essay的时候，我可能会拿龙舟队的这段经历开刀，毕竟是个很特殊的经历，女生非常少，训练非常苦，不过是一项传统啊。
还想再说说创业的经历，但是是科技创业，我怕很难解释清楚。这样的写essay可以吗？

JIMLEERH

中国人的价值观都被扭曲了么，是个人都想往IBD里挤。整天PPT报表pitchbook熬夜熬吐血有意思吗......

-- by 会员 headtola (2013/3/15 11:54:46)

Agree....IBD is not an ENJOYABLE work for 99% of human beings in the world. I strongly encourage all folks above stating they want IBD tell us why!

For those who relate IBD with $, I would tell you, in London, first year IBD analyst's payroll is in line (+20% at most) with other jobs in multinationals (Marketing, Business development, and etc) while your life style can be 100x worse. Have you ever worked 80-100 hours every week? 50 weeks a year? On something boring like Excel & PPT.

Many (maybe 60% or more) analysts leave their jobs in first a few years for roles in buy-side or even other industries. Those who stay are either super smart or super tough. By either way, money is not their main drive (maybe power is). If you want IBD only because of money or 光鲜，you will easily get burnt out before you reach or soon after you get it.

-- by 会员 Derman (2013/3/15 20:44:32)

How about IB? Like S&T, research, credit, etc? In terms of workload and salary?

Derman

我得的奖很奇葩，一个是龙舟赛的省级第三名（我估计全国也就我这么个女生拿这个来申请出国了），一个是UI设计的省级的奖（还是很奇怪，一个工科生好好的居然会去搞设计）。现在在准备的比赛是大挑战杯，之前的创业项目参加了小挑战杯，拿了全国奖，但是我不在参赛人员里，只是在后面搞开发帮忙的。反正都是和商科无关的奖。。。。。。这样的经历是不是和没有一样啊？

写essay的时候，我可能会拿龙舟队的这段经历开刀，毕竟是个很特殊的经历，女生非常少，训练非常苦，不过是一项传统啊。
还想再说说创业的经历，但是是科技创业，我怕很难解释清楚。这样的写essay可以吗？

-- by 会员 greygray (2013/3/17 11:58:07)

Dragon Boat? Amazing! It really depends on how you wrap the story, it can be about teamwork/ discipline/ competitiveness...One of my friends (a girl) now working in GS as a trader was formally a member of Cambridge rowing team, actually there are quite a few traders on the floors were rowing athletes and all big banks have their own Dragon Boat teams in Hong Kong. Never down play the role of athletic training, westerners really appreciate them.


Don't know about entrepreneurship, but as long as you can define your role and show the points (innovative ability/ teamwork or something else?) it will be a good PLUS.

Derman

How about IB? Like S&T, research, credit, etc? In terms of workload and salary?

-- by 会员 JIMLEERH (2013/3/17 14:21:57)

It seems that you really care about income/workload, neither one should be the first (or even the last) thing you should consider when choosing a job! It's about the job itself.  


Do the math, all front office IB divisions pay $70k base for first year analyst; $70k/320 (probably more days in a year)/18 (yes, you work 18 hours a day, which is normal)= $12-13 per hour.  Same hourly salary level as you work in McDonalds, making things worse, you have much more flexible lifestyle, don't need to worry about losing job, relationship....in M, while you need to have all this shit on top of your mind in IB.


Trader is by far the job with least workload on the street. But I would say the stress is most terrible across all jobs on the street. Try to imagine you undergo crazy market and have high gamma on your book? Mark-to-market swing on your PNL is like pain in ass, and it's not under your control! (BTW, working hours of some traders can be brutal too, cash equity traders in London or Rates guys in US usually get up AM5:30 to work. Some Forex traders get up three times a night to check market.)


The first thing you guys should do is try to understand different sectors, what they actually do, what people require and how insiders feel. If you haven't any personal contact, find it out from Internet or read a book. (Some novels reflect the truth of an industry, e.g, The Devil wears Prada..Barbarian at the gates...) Do the homework before you consider which pays more, it's a critical decision in your life, not doing online shopping on IKEA.com.


You will not be blamed if you burnt a hamburg in M. But you will get fired on the spot if you screw up a trade; lose all your year-end bonus if you have some typos on a pitch book for a client.

Waterlady

Derman, 我花了点时间看了所有的帖子，就想问一句，为什么你觉得法国三大高商以外的MBA就还是不要读了？能详细说一说吗？谢谢了！

JIMLEERH

nope, I am just curious about it and want to know more FACTS.

I'm glad that you can share your "interesting" experiences as a trader with us outsiders, it's really refreshing!

Sure, as Yang Jiang said, we guys think too much but read too little...

Derman

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熊样小L

Derman，，，，看完了你的帖子，真心的觉得你们都好高端~那在SKEMA读MS的是不是可以去撞豆腐了投地中海了，，，，，，，学校在尼斯如果是找luxury方面的实习是不是会很难？

~我的法语在努力加强中，英语口语很不错，会捣鼓SPSS系统，会电脑设计，，会做财务报表分析，，，这，，，有用么，，，，和你们的背景比顿时觉得自己无比烂，，，，，

希望Derman能给一些建议，并没有热切盼望留法，回国的工作我也没什么好担心的，我只是希望在法一年半能让法语提升起来，能在Luxury行业有名头的企业有份充实的实习的经历就够了，不知道这样的背景我还需要在哪方面努力呢？


另外鲁昂和skema在luxury专业是不是差不多水平？
感谢！感谢！

Derman

Derman，，，，看完了你的帖子，真心的觉得你们都好高端~那在SKEMA读MS的是不是可以去撞豆腐了投地中海了，，，，，，，学校在尼斯如果是找luxury方面的实习是不是会很难？

~我的法语在努力加强中，英语口语很不错，会捣鼓SPSS系统，会电脑设计，，会做财务报表分析，，，这，，，有用么，，，，和你们的背景比顿时觉得自己无比烂，，，，，

希望Derman能给一些建议，并没有热切盼望留法，回国的工作我也没什么好担心的，我只是希望在法一年半能让法语提升起来，能在Luxury行业有名头的企业有份充实的实习的经历就够了，不知道这样的背景我还需要在哪方面努力呢？


另外鲁昂和skema在luxury专业是不是差不多水平？
感谢！感谢！

-- by 会员 熊样小L (2013/3/17 23:11:16)

I would say French is the only thing you should worry about now. Try to make it better. Nice is good place, many rich people live in Nice & Monaco. It's not at the same level as Paris, but far better than other cities. Don't know if Rouen better than Skema, I personally don't know any student from either school. Cannot give u an idea.

danielde

楼主你好~我是德语系的学生，想转学商，从事金融类工作。但是德国绝大多数的商科硕士都需要本科是商科专业，我能申请的德国的最好的是一所叫EBS的私立商学院（目测德国商学院排名第七，但和很多知名企业的关系很好。在离法兰克福一小时的小村上，给本科非商科的学生提供pre-semester，在硕士阶段最多有2个寒假分别3个月的实习时间）。因为觉得巴黎三大高商在实力上要高于EBS，就特别向往。楼主觉得我如果能进入巴黎三大高商学习，然后实习到最后的全职工作都在德国找靠谱吗？应该如果第三年交换或者双学位到德国会更好了吧。。还是去德国读EBS或者从德国好的公立大学的企业经济本科重新读起更加靠谱（这个问题有点难为楼主了，可能楼主对德国这边的学校也不是特别了解）？这样的动机申请法国学校会不会得不到法国学校的欣赏？谢谢。