2008Prep Q181 twice 同位语，请教大牛~~

半阙

太长了我就不引用了，你说的那个prep讲的很好，我把摘下来做了补充~~我觉得我们很多时候都太纠结于语法了，manhattan上多从意思的角度出发，这样更清楚一点，也不容易忘~~

半阙

开始的时候我也没把twice + n 理解成同位，之前我以为是状语，不存在跳跃与否的问题。后来看到语法笔记，又问了度娘。
http://wenku.baidu.com/view/8dad862ee2bd960590c67740.html

她说twice + n 中twice是限定词，他们整体是同位。 这里twice不是副词。。
这样看和manhattan的例子也不一样了。

而且如果真是同位的话，也可以跳跃谓语的。也就是我一直在说的那个头重脚轻的问题。这个manhattan语法上那个例子。


你真跑去manhattan找题啦？。。。。厉害

-- by 会员 12604698 (2012/1/25 12:03:51)

babybearmm给的那个链接我一路看下去就看到啦~~~

babybearmm

wow~~~that's super super brilliant! Thank you for sharing~

I can't agree more on "我觉得我们很多时候都太纠结于语法了，manhattan上多从意思的角度出发，这样更清楚一点，也不容易忘"

太长了我就不引用了，你说的那个prep讲的很好，我把摘下来做了补充~~我觉得我们很多时候都太纠结于语法了，manhattan上多从意思的角度出发，这样更清楚一点，也不容易忘~~

-- by 会员 半阙 (2012/1/25 15:35:25)

半阙

在manhattan上看到的一道题，跟这一处知识点是一样的，附上作参考~~
In California today, Hispanics under the age of eighteen account for more than 43%, compared with a decade ago, when it was about 35%.
A.……
B.Of the Californians under the age of eighteen, today more than 43% of them are Hispanic, compared with a decade ago, when it was about 35%.
C.Today, more than 43% of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35% decade ago.
D.Today, compared to a decade ago, Californians who are Hispanics under the age of eighteen account for more than 43%, whereas it was about 35%.
E. Today, Hispanics under the age of eighteen in California account for more than 43%, unlike a decade ago, when it was about 35%.
答案：C
问：Compared” follows “Hispanic” immediately, does it mean “compared” modify “Hispanic”?



答：apparently, "compared with"/"compared to" can be used to modify the statistic in the preceding clause, even if that statistic doesn't come right before the comma. this is a lesson that you can draw by yourself from looking at this problem, simply by noting what appears in the correct answer.

这里只说了C选项，要看其他分析的http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/post21654.html#21654


回到原来的题目中来，也就是说twice本来就不是用来修饰n.的，就是用来修饰numerical concept的，即使离修饰对象很远~~应该可以这么理解的吧~~

-- by 会员 半阙 (2012/1/25 11:36:02)

我又不明白了~~~
看下面这道题：（GWD17）

In 1981 children in the United States

spent an averageof slightly less than two and a half hours a week doinghousehold chores; by 1997 they had spent nearly six hours a week.

A.chores; by 1997 they had spent nearly six hoursa week

B.chores; by 1997 that figure had grown to nearlysix hours a week

C.chores, whereas nearly six hours a week werespent in 1997

D.chores, compared with a figure of nearly six hours a week in 1997

E.chores, that figure growing to nearly six hours a week in 1997

答案选B，我错选了D
看到有人讨论说compared with就近修饰，比较对象不对等
那按照上面Ron说的，compared with a figure of .... 它不会修饰chores，而是指前面的an average of slightly less than two and a half hours a week，即使它离chores很近~~我上来一读就觉得D特顺口~~

半阙

又找到一题~~

A recent review of pay scales indicates that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times in 1980.

(A) that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times
(B) that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times
(C) that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
(D) CEO's who now earn on average 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
(E) CEO's now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times

答案选C
你看，这里的as compared to 不也是紧跟在workers后面而修饰的是419times么？

babybearmm

整理得真好~赞一下

我觉得，Ron说的是对的，只要前面那个句子非常明确的指出了用于比较的数量（不管在什么位置什么成分），且可比，且没有歧义，就可以用", compared to", ", as compared to".

但是，你举出来的GWD17的问题在于——
"compared with a figure of nearly six hours a week in 1997"
注意："a figure of _______ in 1997"
读完这句话，我们知道这个figure是怎么定义的么？不知道。
从逻辑上讲，比较对象必须能够明确定义。

你再看看B选项："by 1997 that figure had grown to nearlysix hours a week"
这里用的是"that figure"，就毫无歧义地精确定义了这是一个什么figure

再看看下一道题，正确选项也是明确定义了的"as compared to 42 times their pay"
错误选项例如A "compared to a ratio of 42 times" 就没有定义清楚这是个什么ratio

babybearmm

另外你原来那道题目2008Prep Q181

建议你找个英英字典，查一下double作为动词的不同用法，比如，以下句子正确的：
The baby doubled its weight in the past year.
这里你如果理解为baby和its weight在比较，那就错了。
prep有道题目也是double的这种用法，我觉得仔细看字典就能总结出来了

半阙

整理得真好~赞一下

我觉得，Ron说的是对的，只要前面那个句子非常明确的指出了用于比较的数量（不管在什么位置什么成分），且可比，且没有歧义，就可以用", compared to", ", as compared to".

但是，你举出来的GWD17的问题在于——
"compared with a figure of nearly six hours a week in 1997"
注意："a figure of _______ in 1997"
读完这句话，我们知道这个figure是怎么定义的么？不知道。
从逻辑上讲，比较对象必须能够明确定义。

你再看看B选项："by 1997 that figure had grown to nearlysix hours a week"
这里用的是"that figure"，就毫无歧义地精确定义了这是一个什么figure

再看看下一道题，正确选项也是明确定义了的"as compared to 42 times their pay"
错误选项例如A "compared to a ratio of 42 times" 就没有定义清楚这是个什么ratio

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/6 18:21:42)

Perfect Explanation~~~我怎么就看不出来捏？~~babybearmm，我要向你学习！

半阙

另外你原来那道题目2008Prep Q181

建议你找个英英字典，查一下double作为动词的不同用法，比如，以下句子正确的：
The baby doubled its weight in the past year.
这里你如果理解为baby和its weight在比较，那就错了。
prep有道题目也是double的这种用法，我觉得仔细看字典就能总结出来了

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/6 18:28:09)

我这就去查Longman~
不过double作动词，想起来OG上一道，当年愣是弄不清楚这个是怎么比的，后来才知道double是动词，more than作副词修饰double~~哈哈~
. Retail sales rose 0.8 of 1 percent in August, intensifying expectations that personal spending in the July–September quarter would more than doublethe 1.4 percent growth rate in personal spending for the previous quarter.

babybearmm

对！就这道题，你找到了。这也是"sth doubles its growth rate"
本来我也不太懂，那天和sophia在讨论，聊着聊着我们都懂了，这double作为及物动词的两种含义的确很tricky

另外你原来那道题目2008Prep Q181

建议你找个英英字典，查一下double作为动词的不同用法，比如，以下句子正确的：
The baby doubled its weight in the past year.
这里你如果理解为baby和its weight在比较，那就错了。
prep有道题目也是double的这种用法，我觉得仔细看字典就能总结出来了

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/6 18:28:09)

我这就去查Longman~
不过double作动词，想起来OG上一道，当年愣是弄不清楚这个是怎么比的，后来才知道double是动词，more than作副词修饰double~~哈哈~
. Retail sales rose 0.8 of 1 percent in August, intensifying expectations that personal spending in the July–September quarter would more than doublethe 1.4 percent growth rate in personal spending for the previous quarter.

-- by 会员 半阙 (2012/2/6 20:40:17)