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求助:OG12 SC #5_关于过去分词有逗号在句尾的修饰问题

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-14 14:52:07 | 只看该作者
伴随状语是指状语从句的动作伴随主句发生,它的特点是:它所表达的动作或状态是伴随着句子谓语动词的动作而发生或存在的。   例如:   He sat in the armchair,reading a newspaper.   他坐在扶手椅里读报。   All night long he lay awake,thinking of the problem.   他整夜躺在床上睡不着,思考着那个问题。

简单的例子,你看你的句子,和我下面这句是不是很像?
The master entered the room,followed by his dog(主人进了屋,后面跟着他的狗)。
当然,这种句子由于是伴随主语的,事实上可以认为都是有主语发起的,或者是“修饰 主语的”

如果这还不能说服你,那我没有办法了
-- by 会员 vinbobo (2011/7/14 14:44:56)


说服我了
不过容我接受一下
12#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-14 16:49:12 | 只看该作者
虽然被说服了是可以用,但是哪位大神能够从理论上讲讲呢?
受了语法笔记太多的影响,一下子出现个反例,有点很难归纳到体系里去。
13#
发表于 2011-7-14 21:08:57 | 只看该作者
我也很疑惑这一点
从句which和that是就近修饰,但,
现在分词与过去分词做状语好像没有这一说法。
现在分词与过去分词做状语,应该都是修饰句子主语,
唯一的区别是动作发出的主动与被动之分。


这一题中,我认为最后surpassed only by heart disease and cancer.

是一个伴随整句的修饰成分,而不是修饰某个具体的名词,因为这个部分和主题句中描述的过程是有同时存在的关系


此外,“
1.当过去分词在句末时,不管有无逗号,都是就近修饰名词;”这个规律,我没有在曼哈顿之类的语法书上看到过

建议具体考虑是否采用


-- by 会员 vinbobo (2011/7/14 14:17:51)

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-7-14 21:19:05 | 只看该作者
不过终归有一点是肯定的,分词结构(无论是现在分词还是过去分词)1)在句尾2)有逗号,就要非常小心了。因为会产生修饰临近的名词,还是做状语修饰整个句子的歧义。

我也很疑惑这一点
从句which和that是就近修饰,但,
现在分词与过去分词做状语好像没有这一说法。
现在分词与过去分词做状语,应该都是修饰句子主语,
唯一的区别是动作发出的主动与被动之分。


这一题中,我认为最后surpassed only by heart disease and cancer.

是一个伴随整句的修饰成分,而不是修饰某个具体的名词,因为这个部分和主题句中描述的过程是有同时存在的关系


此外,“
1.当过去分词在句末时,不管有无逗号,都是就近修饰名词;”这个规律,我没有在曼哈顿之类的语法书上看到过

建议具体考虑是否采用


-- by 会员 vinbobo (2011/7/14 14:17:51)


-- by 会员 jj449 (2011/7/14 21:08:57)

15#
 楼主| 发表于 2011-8-2 20:27:17 | 只看该作者
顶一下,看看有谁还能一起讨论一下
16#
发表于 2011-11-26 23:18:24 | 只看该作者
恩恩~~顶顶·~~
17#
发表于 2011-11-27 00:09:12 | 只看该作者
顶一下,我也有这个困惑。。。。
18#
发表于 2011-12-19 18:28:03 | 只看该作者
OG12 #5
Diabetes, together with its serious complications, ranks as the nation’s third leading cause of death, surpassed only by heart disease and cancer.


Prep2 #181 补充说明
关于分词修饰语的理解 by tigercaiqun
1.当过去分词在句末时,不管有无逗号,都是就近修饰名词;


然而,很明显,这里surpassed如果就近修饰death的话,逻辑上是错误的,因为只有一种疾病(diabetes)才能被另外的疾病(heart disease and cancer)超越。
虽然OG12#5考察的不是这个考点,但是还是觉得有疑问。


NN能解答。
-- by 会员 Thyrod (2011/7/14 11:26:27)



刚才看另一个帖子的时候想到,其实这个规律也没错,因为就近的名词不是death,  而是the cause of death,中心词 是cause,这不是也没错吗,逻辑上和语义上都讲得通吧。
19#
发表于 2012-3-10 22:50:39 | 只看该作者
嗯~说的不错~~是有例外的!~
20#
发表于 2012-8-16 09:53:34 | 只看该作者
这里引用Ron(一个国外的instructor)对OG SC-56题的解释说法
OG12-56
Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan Empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.
A Empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
B Empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
C Empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
D Empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
E Empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from (E)


这里撇开either……or……的并列结构不谈,仅谈fashioned的修饰问题,不同的人有不同的看法:
prep语法笔记上说 -ed在逗号后,原则上修饰逗号前面的名词,至于是一个名词还是名词词组(例如C1 of C2)版主aeoluseros说看语义定


这里摘录Ron对这道题的看法:(推荐!)
“ved” modifier could refer either to the subject or to the noun before; you'll have to use context to figure it out.


e.g.
Joe turned to face the audience, flushed with fear --> correct sentence; modifier modifies "Joe"
Joe will fight his next bout against Malik, renowned for his fierce left jab --> correct sentence; in this kind of (somewhat ambiguous) construction, the usual convention is that "renowned" modifies "Malik", not "Joe".


i don't think you really have to worry about these kinds of modifiers very much; experience shows that they are hardly tested at all on the real test.



HOWEVER
in the problem at hand, all of this is a non-issue; this modifier is altogether wrong, because there shouldn't be a modifier here.
it's not good enough for a comma + -ed or comma + -ing modifier just to describe the subject -- it must actually modify, or relate to, the content of the preceding clause.
e.g.
Joe spoke to the audience, blushing with nervousness --> this sentence makes sense
Joe spoke to the audience, standing 5'11" tall --> although this sentence is grammatically correct, it's total nonsense, because Joe's height has nothing to do with his speaking ability.
(this is also the reason why choice (a) of OG12 #26 is wrong -- it's not grammatically wrong, but it contains a modifier that's "modifying" something completely unrelated to it.)


the fact that the images "date from xxxx" and "were fashioned from xxxx" are two completely unrelated facts, so they should be placed in separate constructions (with "and"). it's inappropriate to use a modifier.

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个人觉得Ron的看法更可取,与V-ing做伴随状语表示前句对后句产生的影响相似,-ed也要考虑这层意思,不能说任意情况都使用-ed
回到这一题来说,surpassed by……修饰的是diabetes,并且不仅仅如此,正是“diabetes位列第三大致死原因”使得surpassed分句产生了意义,因为单单说diabetes被heart disease and cancer超越是没有意义的。
这个解释是否适用于OG上所有的题还有待考证,但是我觉得Ron的回答非常好,可以参考,有待NN参与讨论。
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