海外旅游能算作international experience吗

iChaseMyDream

not true
可以写到resume里面，把international travel当成hobby写，tons of ppl do that ....

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/26 23:33:43)

Travel当然可以当做hobby来写, 但是完全不是B-School要的International Experiences
IE的定义是国外至少三个月的Internship或者Academic Exchange, 找工作的时候大公司都是这么定义的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 0:42:47)

大公司才不care 这个，公司大自然有internatoinal exposure，lol

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 1:04:27)

大公司当然有international exposure, 但是大公司更care你加入的时候是否已经有international experiences

欧洲很多公司要求入职人员必须有至少3个月的国际经验, 可能美国觉得自己就是世界中心所以不要求国际经验, 所以美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点, 呵呵


PS: 有点跑题了, LZ的问题只是旅游能不能算是international experiences, 我觉得这个问题大家的观点是一致的

FasionIce

走马观花的旅游不算international experiences.但是要是在旅游中有了新的思考（对自己，MBA，国际关系之类的），我觉得应该算。

windmaple

not true
可以写到resume里面，把international travel当成hobby写，tons of ppl do that ....

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/26 23:33:43)

Travel当然可以当做hobby来写, 但是完全不是B-School要的International Experiences
IE的定义是国外至少三个月的Internship或者Academic Exchange, 找工作的时候大公司都是这么定义的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 0:42:47)

大公司才不care 这个，公司大自然有internatoinal exposure，lol

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 1:04:27)

大公司当然有international exposure, 但是大公司更care你加入的时候是否已经有international experiences

欧洲很多公司要求入职人员必须有至少3个月的国际经验, 可能美国觉得自己就是世界中心所以不要求国际经验, 所以美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点, 呵呵


PS: 有点跑题了, LZ的问题只是旅游能不能算是international experiences, 我觉得这个问题大家的观点是一致的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 1:24:15)

欧洲那个支离破碎的地方，开个车两小时就出国界了，然后说的语言可能还是一样的，擦，这种也算international exposure?

美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点---where did you get that? 美国很多小孩高中就去欧洲backpacking了，可能都在欧洲玩了几年了，这种不算international exposure？

I think 'international exposure' is really defined by something _significant_ you get out of a foreign/exotic experience, for example, you learned how to overcome cultural shock, you resolved conflicts with local clients; it is not restricted to  academic or professional stuff; it could be personal endeavors/ventures. But you have to pitch it right, otherwise it is trivial to adcom because so ppl have it

iChaseMyDream

not true
可以写到resume里面，把international travel当成hobby写，tons of ppl do that ....

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/26 23:33:43)

Travel当然可以当做hobby来写, 但是完全不是B-School要的International Experiences
IE的定义是国外至少三个月的Internship或者Academic Exchange, 找工作的时候大公司都是这么定义的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 0:42:47)

大公司才不care 这个，公司大自然有internatoinal exposure，lol

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 1:04:27)

大公司当然有international exposure, 但是大公司更care你加入的时候是否已经有international experiences

欧洲很多公司要求入职人员必须有至少3个月的国际经验, 可能美国觉得自己就是世界中心所以不要求国际经验, 所以美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点, 呵呵


PS: 有点跑题了, LZ的问题只是旅游能不能算是international experiences, 我觉得这个问题大家的观点是一致的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 1:24:15)

欧洲那个支离破碎的地方，开个车两小时就出国界了，然后说的语言可能还是一样的，擦，这种也算international exposure?

美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点---where did you get that? 美国很多小孩高中就去欧洲backpacking了，可能都在欧洲玩了几年了，这种不算international exposure？

I think 'international exposure' is really defined by something _significant_ you get out of a foreign/exotic experience, for example, you learned how to overcome cultural shock, you resolved conflicts with local clients; it is not restricted to  academic or professional stuff; it could be personal endeavors/ventures. But you have to pitch it right, otherwise it is trivial to adcom because so ppl have it

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 2:06:13)

大哥/大姐开车两个小时出国界了您在说列支敦士登吧? 语言是一样的, 您知道欧洲有多少语言不?
美国有多少人一辈子没出过国您知道不? 你看看统计在外国学习实习工作的欧洲人和美国人哪个多不就行了, 我在欧洲读书工作也在美国交换过, 您呢?
美国人比欧洲人'土鳖', 那是因为人家国家牛啊. 美国人来欧洲交换就是去旅游一下, 欧洲人去美国交换那是为了"镀金"
International Experiences大公司的具体是国外3个月的学习工作经历, 您爱信不信, 美国小孩儿在欧洲呆几年当然是IE, 问题是您有么?

Luxe

如果旅游时 交了个外国女朋友 就应该算了吧 在南美很有可能呀

windmaple

not true
可以写到resume里面，把international travel当成hobby写，tons of ppl do that ....

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/26 23:33:43)

Travel当然可以当做hobby来写, 但是完全不是B-School要的International Experiences
IE的定义是国外至少三个月的Internship或者Academic Exchange, 找工作的时候大公司都是这么定义的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 0:42:47)

大公司才不care 这个，公司大自然有internatoinal exposure，lol

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 1:04:27)

大公司当然有international exposure, 但是大公司更care你加入的时候是否已经有international experiences

欧洲很多公司要求入职人员必须有至少3个月的国际经验, 可能美国觉得自己就是世界中心所以不要求国际经验, 所以美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点, 呵呵


PS: 有点跑题了, LZ的问题只是旅游能不能算是international experiences, 我觉得这个问题大家的观点是一致的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 1:24:15)

欧洲那个支离破碎的地方，开个车两小时就出国界了，然后说的语言可能还是一样的，擦，这种也算international exposure?

美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点---where did you get that? 美国很多小孩高中就去欧洲backpacking了，可能都在欧洲玩了几年了，这种不算international exposure？

I think 'international exposure' is really defined by something _significant_ you get out of a foreign/exotic experience, for example, you learned how to overcome cultural shock, you resolved conflicts with local clients; it is not restricted to  academic or professional stuff; it could be personal endeavors/ventures. But you have to pitch it right, otherwise it is trivial to adcom because so ppl have it

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 2:06:13)

大哥/大姐开车两个小时出国界了您在说列支敦士登吧? 语言是一样的, 您知道欧洲有多少语言不?
美国有多少人一辈子没出过国您知道不? 你看看统计在外国学习实习工作的欧洲人和美国人哪个多不就行了, 我在欧洲读书工作也在美国交换过, 您呢?
美国人比欧洲人'土鳖', 那是因为人家国家牛啊. 美国人来欧洲交换就是去旅游一下, 欧洲人去美国交换那是为了"镀金"
International Experiences大公司的具体是国外3个月的学习工作经历, 您爱信不信, 美国小孩儿在欧洲呆几年当然是IE, 问题是您有么?

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 2:21:08)

> 您知道欧洲有多少语言不?
What's the point of counting all the languages?
Roman languages are so similar and they all come out of Latin. French guys could learn spanish/italian in like a month. I heard German is similar to English in a sense.  Easier for me to say, but of coz they are hard to learn.

Let's not get personal here. And this isn't the place to brag about your international background.
But I do want to mention that I have spent 25%+ my life overseas already(damn, I hate that) and I work with French/German/Italian guys on daily basis in the so-called 'big company'. So I am not green behind the ear.

I guess neither of us is going to convince the other. That's fine. Let's agree to disagree then.

iChaseMyDream

not true
可以写到resume里面，把international travel当成hobby写，tons of ppl do that ....

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/26 23:33:43)

Travel当然可以当做hobby来写, 但是完全不是B-School要的International Experiences
IE的定义是国外至少三个月的Internship或者Academic Exchange, 找工作的时候大公司都是这么定义的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 0:42:47)

大公司才不care 这个，公司大自然有internatoinal exposure，lol

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 1:04:27)

大公司当然有international exposure, 但是大公司更care你加入的时候是否已经有international experiences

欧洲很多公司要求入职人员必须有至少3个月的国际经验, 可能美国觉得自己就是世界中心所以不要求国际经验, 所以美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点, 呵呵


PS: 有点跑题了, LZ的问题只是旅游能不能算是international experiences, 我觉得这个问题大家的观点是一致的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 1:24:15)

欧洲那个支离破碎的地方，开个车两小时就出国界了，然后说的语言可能还是一样的，擦，这种也算international exposure?

美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点---where did you get that? 美国很多小孩高中就去欧洲backpacking了，可能都在欧洲玩了几年了，这种不算international exposure？

I think 'international exposure' is really defined by something _significant_ you get out of a foreign/exotic experience, for example, you learned how to overcome cultural shock, you resolved conflicts with local clients; it is not restricted to  academic or professional stuff; it could be personal endeavors/ventures. But you have to pitch it right, otherwise it is trivial to adcom because so ppl have it

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 2:06:13)

大哥/大姐开车两个小时出国界了您在说列支敦士登吧? 语言是一样的, 您知道欧洲有多少语言不?
美国有多少人一辈子没出过国您知道不? 你看看统计在外国学习实习工作的欧洲人和美国人哪个多不就行了, 我在欧洲读书工作也在美国交换过, 您呢?
美国人比欧洲人'土鳖', 那是因为人家国家牛啊. 美国人来欧洲交换就是去旅游一下, 欧洲人去美国交换那是为了"镀金"
International Experiences大公司的具体是国外3个月的学习工作经历, 您爱信不信, 美国小孩儿在欧洲呆几年当然是IE, 问题是您有么?

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 2:21:08)

> 您知道欧洲有多少语言不?
What's the point of counting all the languages?
Roman languages are so similar and they all come out of Latin. French guys could learn spanish/italian in like a month. I heard German is similar to English in a sense.  Easier for me to say, but of coz they are hard to learn.

Let's not get personal here. And this isn't the place to brag about your international background.
But I do want to mention that I have spent 25%+ my life overseas already(damn, I hate that) and I work with French/German/Italian guys on daily basis in the so-called 'big company'. So I am not green behind the ear.

I guess neither of us is going to convince the other. That's fine. Let's agree to disagree then.

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 4:31:02)

Just a few remarks



>Roman languages are so similar and they all come out of Latin. <
Thats quite true. but it depends on how you define "similar"


>French guys could learn spanish/italian in like a month.<
Spaniards and italians have no problem to understand each other, but french is not similar to any of them


>I heard German is similar to English in a sense.  Easier for me to say, but of coz they are hard to learn.<
You better read the book from Mark Twain, "the awful german language", then you understand why his favorite german word is "damit"

windmaple

not true
可以写到resume里面，把international travel当成hobby写，tons of ppl do that ....

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/26 23:33:43)

Travel当然可以当做hobby来写, 但是完全不是B-School要的International Experiences
IE的定义是国外至少三个月的Internship或者Academic Exchange, 找工作的时候大公司都是这么定义的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 0:42:47)

大公司才不care 这个，公司大自然有internatoinal exposure，lol

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 1:04:27)

大公司当然有international exposure, 但是大公司更care你加入的时候是否已经有international experiences

欧洲很多公司要求入职人员必须有至少3个月的国际经验, 可能美国觉得自己就是世界中心所以不要求国际经验, 所以美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点, 呵呵


PS: 有点跑题了, LZ的问题只是旅游能不能算是international experiences, 我觉得这个问题大家的观点是一致的

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 1:24:15)

欧洲那个支离破碎的地方，开个车两小时就出国界了，然后说的语言可能还是一样的，擦，这种也算international exposure?

美国人普遍也比较"土鳖"一点---where did you get that? 美国很多小孩高中就去欧洲backpacking了，可能都在欧洲玩了几年了，这种不算international exposure？

I think 'international exposure' is really defined by something _significant_ you get out of a foreign/exotic experience, for example, you learned how to overcome cultural shock, you resolved conflicts with local clients; it is not restricted to  academic or professional stuff; it could be personal endeavors/ventures. But you have to pitch it right, otherwise it is trivial to adcom because so ppl have it

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 2:06:13)

大哥/大姐开车两个小时出国界了您在说列支敦士登吧? 语言是一样的, 您知道欧洲有多少语言不?
美国有多少人一辈子没出过国您知道不? 你看看统计在外国学习实习工作的欧洲人和美国人哪个多不就行了, 我在欧洲读书工作也在美国交换过, 您呢?
美国人比欧洲人'土鳖', 那是因为人家国家牛啊. 美国人来欧洲交换就是去旅游一下, 欧洲人去美国交换那是为了"镀金"
International Experiences大公司的具体是国外3个月的学习工作经历, 您爱信不信, 美国小孩儿在欧洲呆几年当然是IE, 问题是您有么?

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 2:21:08)

> 您知道欧洲有多少语言不?
What's the point of counting all the languages?
Roman languages are so similar and they all come out of Latin. French guys could learn spanish/italian in like a month. I heard German is similar to English in a sense.  Easier for me to say, but of coz they are hard to learn.

Let's not get personal here. And this isn't the place to brag about your international background.
But I do want to mention that I have spent 25%+ my life overseas already(damn, I hate that) and I work with French/German/Italian guys on daily basis in the so-called 'big company'. So I am not green behind the ear.

I guess neither of us is going to convince the other. That's fine. Let's agree to disagree then.

-- by 会员 windmaple (2011/4/27 4:31:02)

Just a few remarks



>Roman languages are so similar and they all come out of Latin. <
Thats quite true. but it depends on how you define "similar"


>French guys could learn spanish/italian in like a month.<
Spaniards and italians have no problem to understand each other, but french is not similar to any of them


>I heard German is similar to English in a sense.  Easier for me to say, but of coz they are hard to learn.<
You better read the book from Mark Twain, "the awful german language", then you understand why his favorite german word is "damit"

-- by 会员 iChaseMyDream (2011/4/27 5:20:17)

man, I hope you don't work for Rosetta Stone

> You better read the book from Mark Twain, "the awful german language", then you understand why his favorite german word is "damit"

This is cool! Now I learnt something new. This just made my day!
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And if I have not also shown that German is a harassing and infuriatingstudy, my execution has been at fault, and not my intent. I heard lately of aworn and sorely tried American student who used to fly to a certain Germanword for relief when he could bear up under his aggravations no longer -- theonly word whose sound was sweet and precious to his ear and healing to hislacerated spirit.  This was the word Damit. It was only thesound that helped him, not the meaning; [3] and so, at last, when helearned that the emphasis was not on the first syllable, his only stay andsupport was gone, and he faded away and died.
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See, this is why I love CD. There is always someone who is more knowledgeable than myself!
Thanks, iChaseMyDream