og 12 sc 04 一个时态问题

jaze

Of all the vast tides of migration that have swept through history, perhaps none was more concentrated than the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.

excerpt from OG12 686
"In addition, the second part of the sentence uses the past tense verb brought, indicating that the event is over. The verb used in the comparative construction must also be past tense, x (none) was more concentrated than y(the wave)."

My problem:
I do not understand why we should use "was" rather than "is". I think is is not convincing to use "was" just because  a relative clause uses "brought".
Who can shed some light on this.
Thanks advanced.

angelcity

借鉴aeoluseros的回答:这句有省略,应还原为:perhaps none was more concentrated than (was) the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.

后面的was是由brought决定的，之所以能省略，是因为与比较前面的一致,这也决定了为什么前面要用was.

jaze

多谢

jaze

借鉴aeoluseros的回答:这句有省略,应还原为:perhaps none was more concentrated than (was) the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.

后面的was是由brought决定的，之所以能省略，是因为与比较前面的一致,这也决定了为什么前面要用was.

-- by 会员 angelcity (2011/6/12 16:08:41)

这个。。。。
省略不是因为是主语在比较， 没有宾语吗？
按照你的说法， 如果后面的was不省略是不是前面就可以是is了呢？

kobegibson

借鉴aeoluseros的回答:这句有省略,应还原为:perhaps none was more concentrated than (was) the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.

后面的was是由brought决定的，之所以能省略，是因为与比较前面的一致,这也决定了为什么前面要用was.

-- by 会员 angelcity (2011/6/12 16:08:41)

不知道aeoluseros是何方神圣，这回神也不能听。 省略的was应该在wave之后。

简单说 - I'm smarter than aeoluseros非要还原也得弄成I'm smarter than aeoluseros is.


这个主要考none的用法，它这次就是指以前的那几次wave的否定单数，必须用was，没有is可言。

kobegibson

My problem:
I do not understand why we should use "was" rather than "is". I think is is not convincing to use "was" just because  a relative clause uses "brought".

-- by 会员 jaze (2011/4/13 14:21:02)

By the way, it is convincing to use "was" just because  a relative clause uses "brought".
Wave is a one time thing. When the word "wave" refers to that specific phenomenon in the past, we'd better to use the past from.

If, on the other hand, we are talking about a person, or a theory, anything as a fact that lasts forever, we should use "is".
"Although Kobe Bryant is dominating the NBA league for the last decade, lots of basketball fans believe that Micheal Jordan is a better player."

jaze

借鉴aeoluseros的回答:这句有省略,应还原为:perhaps none was more concentrated than (was) the wave that brought 12 million immigrants onto American shores in little more than three decades.

后面的was是由brought决定的，之所以能省略，是因为与比较前面的一致,这也决定了为什么前面要用was.

-- by 会员 angelcity (2011/6/12 16:08:41)

不知道aeoluseros是何方神圣，这回神也不能听。 省略的was应该在wave之后。

简单说 - I'm smarter than aeoluseros非要还原也得弄成I'm smarter than aeoluseros is.


这个主要考none的用法，它这次就是指以前的那几次wave的否定单数，必须用was，没有is可言。

-- by 会员 kobegibson (2011/6/20 20:40:07)

恩， 兄弟， 你玩笑有点大了
如果是   you are smarter than aeoluseros who is underestimated by some people
你还原的话， 怎么还原？ 还是在 后面加  is ？

ps：  aeoluseros 是语法版版主， 你将来的看的prep2008笔记， 也是他主编的

jaze

My problem:
I do not understand why we should use "was" rather than "is". I think is is not convincing to use "was" just because  a relative clause uses "brought".

-- by 会员 jaze (2011/4/13 14:21:02)

By the way, it is convincing to use "was" just because  a relative clause uses "brought".
Wave is a one time thing. When the word "wave" refers to that specific phenomenon in the past, we'd better to use the past from.

If, on the other hand, we are talking about a person, or a theory, anything as a fact that lasts forever, we should use "is".
"Although Kobe Bryant is dominating the NBA league for the last decade, lots of basketball fans believe that Micheal Jordan is a better player."

-- by 会员 kobegibson (2011/6/20 20:57:45)

By the way, i do not think Jordan is still a player. His history as a player is over, in my opinion. No offense.

kobegibson

来,come on

本来就是主语比不需要还原. 硬要还原它就是得跟在主语后面.
I am smarter than aeoluseros who is underestimated by some people is.
或
I am smarter than aeoluseros, who is underestimated by some people, is.
再不顺也比
I am smarter than is aeoluseros who is underestimated by some people.强



将来的看的prep2008笔记 咱们版主可以邀请我校正不收钱哈哈.

kobegibson

My problem:
I do not understand why we should use "was" rather than "is". I think is is not convincing to use "was" just because  a relative clause uses "brought".

-- by 会员 jaze (2011/4/13 14:21:02)

By the way, it is convincing to use "was" just because  a relative clause uses "brought".
Wave is a one time thing. When the word "wave" refers to that specific phenomenon in the past, we'd better to use the past from.

If, on the other hand, we are talking about a person, or a theory, anything as a fact that lasts forever, we should use "is".
"Although Kobe Bryant is dominating the NBA league for the last decade, lots of basketball fans believe that Micheal Jordan is a better player."

-- by 会员 kobegibson (2011/6/20 20:57:45)

By the way, i do not think Jordan is still a player. His history as a player is over, in my opinion. No offense.

-- by 会员 jaze (2011/6/20 22:17:03)

对啊,所以我给你举的这个例子啊. 他作为球员是过去时但是得用is,因为是表客观事实. 题里wave就是一个事件所以用was.