求选校，Cornell MFE vs Columbia MSOR vs Columbia MAFN

怜音

建议你和蒙太奇询问一下，其他人的意见都是有偏见的

想顶上来继续听听意见~

-- by 会员 daysinmeteor (2011/4/7 0:18:27)

-- by 会员 doladd (2011/4/7 0:23:18)

蒙兄和大多数人没有可比性，人家不愁身份

-- by 会员 KGKD (2011/4/7 0:26:04)

等一下啊哥们。。我为啥不愁身份？？我不是美国人啊。。。但听说加国人的H1B是用钱买，而不是摇号就是了。。。这也就是唯一的优势了。。。

其实吧，CORNELL MFE也挺不错的。我个人也不是太喜欢分学校的高低，因为这样蛮无聊的。每个学校都有不同的长处，这根比什么球队强一样，没啥意思。。

帮助LZ的话，我可以SHARE一下我问过的一些人的看法。。。。

1. GS Hongkong MD: Columbia and NYU are way better than Cornell if you want to locate a job. Location is very very important in finance industry.  If you don't have an option from HYP, Columbia and NYU are the best among the rest. （这似乎一个法国人）
2. ING Asia Head: LSE or Columbia. Columbia is better than Cornell in finance. （香港人）
3. 中信，平安，中金等一系列CEO,CFO之类的：Columbia or LSE. CORNELL跟UMICH差不多（大陆人）
4. ING USA MD： I dono too much about cornell, but I think it's not bad. Columbia, of course, is well-known. LSE is highly regarded in the world too. (这是一个荷兰来的人，不太懂美国的大学）
5. Professors: Columbia = Cornell. Academically, I would rank Cornell over Columbia. LSE is the best among these three. ( 一俄罗斯人）
6. Dept head from UCB: Columbia = Umich, they are way better than Cornell and LSE. Never go to the U.K school now.
7. Few profs from 港科大: All good. But Columbia is slightly better.

综上所述，教授意见和业界有分歧。但我更信老板的。因为我没想弄PHD。所以对于我个人拿到的OFFER来说，COLUMBIA>=LSE>Cornell>=Umich。

这些都是别人的意见，ANTHONYZHU前辈的意见也很有道理。我想也是有可能高层不太了解应届生找工作的困难。我每次找工作都是靠NETWORK，所以也没有硬碰硬过。所以ANTHONY的意见有可能更加有代表性。但我不确定就是了。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 1:12:13)

i wonder how many people you listed here know exactly what MFE is, if they clearly distinguish undergrad, graduate and MBA in both universities? i guess you just ask for a very broad impression of each and seek the "reputation in general" you want which may be of little importance for those incoming students.
Indeed, for example most French people including those working in finance industry do ignore Cornell as many other great universities in US, they generally know the name of Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley, Columbia but nothing else.
i think every opinion you provided here could be useful but not much,  views can be also biased and reflective of little thing limited by their own knowledge and experience.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 3:58:55)

我同意你的观点。但我的意见是，MFE本来就是比较新的学科，这帮老辈们不一定知道MFE的细节。但是，MFE是BASED ON CS STAT OR，这点只要稍微工作过的人就知道。也就是说，知识都是老的，只是APPLY在不同领域而已。OR在2战时候就有了，COLUMBIA和CORNELL的OR系好像已经有很长的历史了，所以高层可以不知道MFE，但OR他们肯定知道。

我问REPUTATION的目的是因为我已经被告知了几万次，专业一点都不重要。没有老板会关注QUANTNET, CD, TAISHA然后排除哪个水哪个不水。大多数都是靠以前招的学生来判断。也就是说偶然性比较大了。如果老板A喜欢CORNELL的，你去CORNELL就对了。如果B喜欢COLUMBIA，那你去COLUMBIA就对了。但问题是你不知道老板是A还是B，所以你只能选个概率比较大的。

实际上老板招人没那么关注细节。总体来说就是学校+PERSONALITY。基本上S/T也好，IB也好，你只要专业不要太偏，学校的REPU就很重要。S/T里也不是每个上司都念MFE的。所以OVERALL的REPUTATION我觉得大于专业的。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 4:53:39)

i agree with you on the fact whether a program is 水 or not is far from determinant factor for any employers.
also, personality plays a very big role in any human activities in particular here in recruitment.
however, i still wonder how the reputation differs between cornell and columbia in your job search, and if there are managers say "i want columbia alumni only to work here" or "he's from columbia, that's why i recruited him".
after all, you are free to choose one that matches with you, maybe a so-called "水" program within a great brand name is best for you.

kbsloo

这个人的最后一句话已经说明她输掉了这场辩论
阿蒙是就事论事，论据充分逻辑清晰；而这个人的帖子则是强词夺理
而且，让人反感的是，这个人回复里中英夹杂

要是阿蒙开中介肯定比作金融来钱快、多
CD的开创者子溪当年YALE回来后没象其他人那样进大公司，而是继续作CD。我一个多年前的师兄听说CD还在，而且越来越红，都觉得子溪很厉害的。

建议你和蒙太奇询问一下，其他人的意见都是有偏见的

想顶上来继续听听意见~

-- by 会员 daysinmeteor (2011/4/7 0:18:27)

-- by 会员 doladd (2011/4/7 0:23:18)

蒙兄和大多数人没有可比性，人家不愁身份

-- by 会员 KGKD (2011/4/7 0:26:04)

等一下啊哥们。。我为啥不愁身份？？我不是美国人啊。。。但听说加国人的H1B是用钱买，而不是摇号就是了。。。这也就是唯一的优势了。。。

其实吧，CORNELL MFE也挺不错的。我个人也不是太喜欢分学校的高低，因为这样蛮无聊的。每个学校都有不同的长处，这根比什么球队强一样，没啥意思。。

帮助LZ的话，我可以SHARE一下我问过的一些人的看法。。。。

1. GS Hongkong MD: Columbia and NYU are way better than Cornell if you want to locate a job. Location is very very important in finance industry.  If you don't have an option from HYP, Columbia and NYU are the best among the rest. （这似乎一个法国人）
2. ING Asia Head: LSE or Columbia. Columbia is better than Cornell in finance. （香港人）
3. 中信，平安，中金等一系列CEO,CFO之类的：Columbia or LSE. CORNELL跟UMICH差不多（大陆人）
4. ING USA MD： I dono too much about cornell, but I think it's not bad. Columbia, of course, is well-known. LSE is highly regarded in the world too. (这是一个荷兰来的人，不太懂美国的大学）
5. Professors: Columbia = Cornell. Academically, I would rank Cornell over Columbia. LSE is the best among these three. ( 一俄罗斯人）
6. Dept head from UCB: Columbia = Umich, they are way better than Cornell and LSE. Never go to the U.K school now.
7. Few profs from 港科大: All good. But Columbia is slightly better.

综上所述，教授意见和业界有分歧。但我更信老板的。因为我没想弄PHD。所以对于我个人拿到的OFFER来说，COLUMBIA>=LSE>Cornell>=Umich。

这些都是别人的意见，ANTHONYZHU前辈的意见也很有道理。我想也是有可能高层不太了解应届生找工作的困难。我每次找工作都是靠NETWORK，所以也没有硬碰硬过。所以ANTHONY的意见有可能更加有代表性。但我不确定就是了。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 1:12:13)

i wonder how many people you listed here know exactly what MFE is, if they clearly distinguish undergrad, graduate and MBA in both universities? i guess you just ask for a very broad impression of each and seek the "reputation in general" you want which may be of little importance for those incoming students.
Indeed, for example most French people including those working in finance industry do ignore Cornell as many other great universities in US, they generally know the name of Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley, Columbia but nothing else.
i think every opinion you provided here could be useful but not much,  views can be also biased and reflective of little thing limited by their own knowledge and experience.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 3:58:55)

我同意你的观点。但我的意见是，MFE本来就是比较新的学科，这帮老辈们不一定知道MFE的细节。但是，MFE是BASED ON CS STAT OR，这点只要稍微工作过的人就知道。也就是说，知识都是老的，只是APPLY在不同领域而已。OR在2战时候就有了，COLUMBIA和CORNELL的OR系好像已经有很长的历史了，所以高层可以不知道MFE，但OR他们肯定知道。

我问REPUTATION的目的是因为我已经被告知了几万次，专业一点都不重要。没有老板会关注QUANTNET, CD, TAISHA然后排除哪个水哪个不水。大多数都是靠以前招的学生来判断。也就是说偶然性比较大了。如果老板A喜欢CORNELL的，你去CORNELL就对了。如果B喜欢COLUMBIA，那你去COLUMBIA就对了。但问题是你不知道老板是A还是B，所以你只能选个概率比较大的。

实际上老板招人没那么关注细节。总体来说就是学校+PERSONALITY。基本上S/T也好，IB也好，你只要专业不要太偏，学校的REPU就很重要。S/T里也不是每个上司都念MFE的。所以OVERALL的REPUTATION我觉得大于专业的。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 4:53:39)

i agree with you on the fact whether a program is 水 or not is far from determinant factor for any employers.
also, personality plays a very big role in any human activities in particular here in recruitment.
however, i still wonder how the reputation differs between cornell and columbia in your job search, and if there are managers say "i want columbia alumni only to work here" or "he's from columbia, that's why i recruited him".
after all, you are free to choose one that matches with you, maybe a so-called "水" program within a great brand name is best for you.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 5:05:57)

zacherychen

其实我在为他广开财路中。。。

kbsloo

靠，你也很厉害的，申请MBA了没？

zacherychen

哈哈 没有 我觉得他潜力很多的。。 multi-functional products 只需要包装一下 就能成为当代出国留学的典范。。

蒙太奇

LS兄弟你也太捧我了。。。其实我是无聊所以在坛子里晃晃。。ZACH是学APPLIED MATH的。。他才是真正的牛人啊。。。。

其实每个人的经历都不大一样，选择最适合自己的才是最正确的。。我只是尽量把我听到的转述而已，自己不敢对别人的人生大事做评论啊。。。那位朋友说的也挺有道理的。。条条大路通罗马的时代将不会有一个PERFECT的选项了的。或许CORNELL的MFE还真比MAFN好。。谁知道呢？林志玲也不是谁都爱嘛

蒙太奇

哈哈 没有 我觉得他潜力很多的。。 multi-functional products 只需要包装一下 就能成为当代出国留学的典范。。

-- by 会员 zacherychen (2011/4/7 5:22:06)

哎，中介的钱不好攒啊。我想过一想。。你说又要顾着攒钱又要有良心，哪有那么好的事。这学生本来那么优秀，全填HYP如果中不了那我白忙了。你给他弄个100后的自己良心不安。这钱还真是不好攒。。。还不如去坑那些官员算了

怜音

what i have to say as last words? "you are wrong, choose Cornell instead because my point is right"?
i don't care if i lose the debate or not, i don't look for debate on this forum. maybe you do! pretending to convince other people is not my pleasure.
after all i don't lose my life. take care of yours.

这个人的最后一句话已经说明她输掉了这场辩论
阿蒙是就事论事，论据充分逻辑清晰；而这个人的帖子则是强词夺理
而且，让人反感的是，这个人回复里中英夹杂

要是阿蒙开中介肯定比作金融来钱快、多
CD的开创者子溪当年YALE回来后没象其他人那样进大公司，而是继续作CD。我一个多年前的师兄听说CD还在，而且越来越红，都觉得子溪很厉害的。

建议你和蒙太奇询问一下，其他人的意见都是有偏见的

想顶上来继续听听意见~

-- by 会员 daysinmeteor (2011/4/7 0:18:27)

-- by 会员 doladd (2011/4/7 0:23:18)

蒙兄和大多数人没有可比性，人家不愁身份

-- by 会员 KGKD (2011/4/7 0:26:04)

等一下啊哥们。。我为啥不愁身份？？我不是美国人啊。。。但听说加国人的H1B是用钱买，而不是摇号就是了。。。这也就是唯一的优势了。。。

其实吧，CORNELL MFE也挺不错的。我个人也不是太喜欢分学校的高低，因为这样蛮无聊的。每个学校都有不同的长处，这根比什么球队强一样，没啥意思。。

帮助LZ的话，我可以SHARE一下我问过的一些人的看法。。。。

1. GS Hongkong MD: Columbia and NYU are way better than Cornell if you want to locate a job. Location is very very important in finance industry.  If you don't have an option from HYP, Columbia and NYU are the best among the rest. （这似乎一个法国人）
2. ING Asia Head: LSE or Columbia. Columbia is better than Cornell in finance. （香港人）
3. 中信，平安，中金等一系列CEO,CFO之类的：Columbia or LSE. CORNELL跟UMICH差不多（大陆人）
4. ING USA MD： I dono too much about cornell, but I think it's not bad. Columbia, of course, is well-known. LSE is highly regarded in the world too. (这是一个荷兰来的人，不太懂美国的大学）
5. Professors: Columbia = Cornell. Academically, I would rank Cornell over Columbia. LSE is the best among these three. ( 一俄罗斯人）
6. Dept head from UCB: Columbia = Umich, they are way better than Cornell and LSE. Never go to the U.K school now.
7. Few profs from 港科大: All good. But Columbia is slightly better.

综上所述，教授意见和业界有分歧。但我更信老板的。因为我没想弄PHD。所以对于我个人拿到的OFFER来说，COLUMBIA>=LSE>Cornell>=Umich。

这些都是别人的意见，ANTHONYZHU前辈的意见也很有道理。我想也是有可能高层不太了解应届生找工作的困难。我每次找工作都是靠NETWORK，所以也没有硬碰硬过。所以ANTHONY的意见有可能更加有代表性。但我不确定就是了。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 1:12:13)

i wonder how many people you listed here know exactly what MFE is, if they clearly distinguish undergrad, graduate and MBA in both universities? i guess you just ask for a very broad impression of each and seek the "reputation in general" you want which may be of little importance for those incoming students.
Indeed, for example most French people including those working in finance industry do ignore Cornell as many other great universities in US, they generally know the name of Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley, Columbia but nothing else.
i think every opinion you provided here could be useful but not much,  views can be also biased and reflective of little thing limited by their own knowledge and experience.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 3:58:55)

我同意你的观点。但我的意见是，MFE本来就是比较新的学科，这帮老辈们不一定知道MFE的细节。但是，MFE是BASED ON CS STAT OR，这点只要稍微工作过的人就知道。也就是说，知识都是老的，只是APPLY在不同领域而已。OR在2战时候就有了，COLUMBIA和CORNELL的OR系好像已经有很长的历史了，所以高层可以不知道MFE，但OR他们肯定知道。

我问REPUTATION的目的是因为我已经被告知了几万次，专业一点都不重要。没有老板会关注QUANTNET, CD, TAISHA然后排除哪个水哪个不水。大多数都是靠以前招的学生来判断。也就是说偶然性比较大了。如果老板A喜欢CORNELL的，你去CORNELL就对了。如果B喜欢COLUMBIA，那你去COLUMBIA就对了。但问题是你不知道老板是A还是B，所以你只能选个概率比较大的。

实际上老板招人没那么关注细节。总体来说就是学校+PERSONALITY。基本上S/T也好，IB也好，你只要专业不要太偏，学校的REPU就很重要。S/T里也不是每个上司都念MFE的。所以OVERALL的REPUTATION我觉得大于专业的。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 4:53:39)

i agree with you on the fact whether a program is 水 or not is far from determinant factor for any employers.
also, personality plays a very big role in any human activities in particular here in recruitment.
however, i still wonder how the reputation differs between cornell and columbia in your job search, and if there are managers say "i want columbia alumni only to work here" or "he's from columbia, that's why i recruited him".
after all, you are free to choose one that matches with you, maybe a so-called "水" program within a great brand name is best for you.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 5:05:57)

-- by 会员 kbsloo (2011/4/7 5:14:11)

kbsloo

姐姐，这里懂英语的不止你一个
况且你的英语也没那么地道
拜托你别发这么长英语段子了好伐？

what i have to say as last words? "you are wrong, choose Cornell instead because my point is right"?
i don't care if i lose the debate or not, i don't look for debate on this forum. maybe you do! pretending to convince other people is not my pleasure.
after all i don't lose my life. take care of yours.

这个人的最后一句话已经说明她输掉了这场辩论
阿蒙是就事论事，论据充分逻辑清晰；而这个人的帖子则是强词夺理
而且，让人反感的是，这个人回复里中英夹杂

要是阿蒙开中介肯定比作金融来钱快、多
CD的开创者子溪当年YALE回来后没象其他人那样进大公司，而是继续作CD。我一个多年前的师兄听说CD还在，而且越来越红，都觉得子溪很厉害的。

建议你和蒙太奇询问一下，其他人的意见都是有偏见的

想顶上来继续听听意见~

-- by 会员 daysinmeteor (2011/4/7 0:18:27)

-- by 会员 doladd (2011/4/7 0:23:18)

蒙兄和大多数人没有可比性，人家不愁身份

-- by 会员 KGKD (2011/4/7 0:26:04)

等一下啊哥们。。我为啥不愁身份？？我不是美国人啊。。。但听说加国人的H1B是用钱买，而不是摇号就是了。。。这也就是唯一的优势了。。。

其实吧，CORNELL MFE也挺不错的。我个人也不是太喜欢分学校的高低，因为这样蛮无聊的。每个学校都有不同的长处，这根比什么球队强一样，没啥意思。。

帮助LZ的话，我可以SHARE一下我问过的一些人的看法。。。。

1. GS Hongkong MD: Columbia and NYU are way better than Cornell if you want to locate a job. Location is very very important in finance industry.  If you don't have an option from HYP, Columbia and NYU are the best among the rest. （这似乎一个法国人）
2. ING Asia Head: LSE or Columbia. Columbia is better than Cornell in finance. （香港人）
3. 中信，平安，中金等一系列CEO,CFO之类的：Columbia or LSE. CORNELL跟UMICH差不多（大陆人）
4. ING USA MD： I dono too much about cornell, but I think it's not bad. Columbia, of course, is well-known. LSE is highly regarded in the world too. (这是一个荷兰来的人，不太懂美国的大学）
5. Professors: Columbia = Cornell. Academically, I would rank Cornell over Columbia. LSE is the best among these three. ( 一俄罗斯人）
6. Dept head from UCB: Columbia = Umich, they are way better than Cornell and LSE. Never go to the U.K school now.
7. Few profs from 港科大: All good. But Columbia is slightly better.

综上所述，教授意见和业界有分歧。但我更信老板的。因为我没想弄PHD。所以对于我个人拿到的OFFER来说，COLUMBIA>=LSE>Cornell>=Umich。

这些都是别人的意见，ANTHONYZHU前辈的意见也很有道理。我想也是有可能高层不太了解应届生找工作的困难。我每次找工作都是靠NETWORK，所以也没有硬碰硬过。所以ANTHONY的意见有可能更加有代表性。但我不确定就是了。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 1:12:13)

i wonder how many people you listed here know exactly what MFE is, if they clearly distinguish undergrad, graduate and MBA in both universities? i guess you just ask for a very broad impression of each and seek the "reputation in general" you want which may be of little importance for those incoming students.
Indeed, for example most French people including those working in finance industry do ignore Cornell as many other great universities in US, they generally know the name of Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley, Columbia but nothing else.
i think every opinion you provided here could be useful but not much,  views can be also biased and reflective of little thing limited by their own knowledge and experience.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 3:58:55)

我同意你的观点。但我的意见是，MFE本来就是比较新的学科，这帮老辈们不一定知道MFE的细节。但是，MFE是BASED ON CS STAT OR，这点只要稍微工作过的人就知道。也就是说，知识都是老的，只是APPLY在不同领域而已。OR在2战时候就有了，COLUMBIA和CORNELL的OR系好像已经有很长的历史了，所以高层可以不知道MFE，但OR他们肯定知道。

我问REPUTATION的目的是因为我已经被告知了几万次，专业一点都不重要。没有老板会关注QUANTNET, CD, TAISHA然后排除哪个水哪个不水。大多数都是靠以前招的学生来判断。也就是说偶然性比较大了。如果老板A喜欢CORNELL的，你去CORNELL就对了。如果B喜欢COLUMBIA，那你去COLUMBIA就对了。但问题是你不知道老板是A还是B，所以你只能选个概率比较大的。

实际上老板招人没那么关注细节。总体来说就是学校+PERSONALITY。基本上S/T也好，IB也好，你只要专业不要太偏，学校的REPU就很重要。S/T里也不是每个上司都念MFE的。所以OVERALL的REPUTATION我觉得大于专业的。

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 4:53:39)

i agree with you on the fact whether a program is 水 or not is far from determinant factor for any employers.
also, personality plays a very big role in any human activities in particular here in recruitment.
however, i still wonder how the reputation differs between cornell and columbia in your job search, and if there are managers say "i want columbia alumni only to work here" or "he's from columbia, that's why i recruited him".
after all, you are free to choose one that matches with you, maybe a so-called "水" program within a great brand name is best for you.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 5:05:57)

-- by 会员 kbsloo (2011/4/7 5:14:11)

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/4/7 5:43:27)

kbsloo

阿蒙，在中国坑谁都别坑官员，否则来个“被自杀”什么的 LOL 开玩笑拉

哈哈 没有 我觉得他潜力很多的。。 multi-functional products 只需要包装一下 就能成为当代出国留学的典范。。

-- by 会员 zacherychen (2011/4/7 5:22:06)

哎，中介的钱不好攒啊。我想过一想。。你说又要顾着攒钱又要有良心，哪有那么好的事。这学生本来那么优秀，全填HYP如果中不了那我白忙了。你给他弄个100后的自己良心不安。这钱还真是不好攒。。。还不如去坑那些官员算了

-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/4/7 5:27:58)