【转】看USNEWS排行榜是如何毁掉高等教育的

babyfatcici

那如果想知道一所学校的某个program好不好到底该参考什么呢？

-- by 会员 momoz (2011/3/31 1:20:13)

我觉得应该看就业率  平均薪资等指标

isn

感觉挺对的，极端一点，一个排名40多地和排名80的差距到底多大呢？个人觉得微乎其微~`问过在美国的老师，差不多情况是top30属于tier 1, top30~100（这个很roughly)属于tier 2~``

-- by 会员 isn (2011/3/30 23:07:11)

你可以问问你在美国的朋友，一定要是native，问中国人大家都是排名控或者只觉得自己的学校好的。
前30是历史遗留下来的名校，除了学校好，也能满足自己的虚荣心。30~100的学校平心而论都是很不错的大学，一般是public flagship+有in-state reputation的私立~`一般是这个情况，当然也有特例，比如OSU和Mich State那些州立好的~`不过平心而论都差不多，因为也是之前选校给我在美国读PhD的老师发邮件问拿OSU一个排名80的public flagship~``老师就说就他看来都一个样，both are good schools~`差不多就是这样~``

ipo123

看就业率  平均薪资等指标绝对正确。福布斯年度美国大学排名更有参考价值。
《福布斯》的排名指标：No. 1: Student Satisfaction (27.5%) 学生满意度（权重27.5%）No. 2: Postgraduate Success (30%) 毕业生的成就（权重30%）Salary of Alumni from Payscale.com (15%)
　　Listings of Alumni in Who‘s Who in America (10%)
　　Alumni in Forbes/CCAP Corporate Officers List (5%)

　　No. 3: Student Debt (17.5%) 学生就学期间的负债情况 （权重17.5%）
　　Four-year Debt Load for Typical Student Borrower (12.5%)
　　Student Loan Default Rates (5%)

　　No. 4: Four-year Graduation Rate (17.5%) 本科学生在四年内毕业率（权重17.5%）
　　Actual Four-year Graduation Rate (8.75%)
　　Predicted vs. Actual Four-year Graduation Rate (8.75%)

　　No. 5: Competitive Awards (7.5%) 获取的全国性奖项（权重7.5%）
　　Student Nationally Competitive Awards (7.5%)

  1 Williams College
      2 Princeton University
      3 Amherst College
      4 United States Military Academy
      5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
      6 Stanford University
      7 Swarthmore College
      8 Harvard University
      9 Claremont McKenna College
      10 Yale University
      11 United States Air Force Academy
      12 Wellesley College
      13 Columbia University
      14 Haverford College
      15 Wesleyan University
      16 Whitman College
      17 Pomona College
      18 Northwestern University
      19 California Institute of Technology
      20 University of Chicago

isn

其实楼上也未必对~``有钱人去out-state读好学校，穷人和mid-class读当地的，好学生读当地好点的，差得读当地一般的~``所以有钱人的孩子找工作无论如何都好找~`所以也很难评定一个学校的好坏，但是只能作为一个指标参考~``具体好坏还是自己心决定吧

babyfatcici

其实大家都说中国人是排名控  但我觉得这也无可厚非  因为我们不是native  对于美国高校的情况 最直观简单的方法就是看排名  若是放在我们自己的国家 中国     大家会在择校的时候盯着排名不放  在那纠结是40名还是80名吗？   我想可能有些前50的学校大家都闻所未闻   而有些在自己城市声誉很好却在全国却没什么排名的学校大家却非常推崇

简单来说 我觉得USNEWS等排名主要是用来糊弄外国人的

momoz

嗯嗯 顶LS~~
还是信息不对称吧~之前问过一个美国朋友关于排名的问题，把她的回答贴出来和大家分享下~
In America, I think that the ranking of a graduate school is less important than the fact that your school is known for having a good program for what you are studying. It is true that some Americans will judge schools by rank--for example, somebody who went to Harvard or MIT has a degree that is more valued than somebody who went to a public school, such as the University of New Hampshire. However, I would honestly say that as far as the job market goes, being a good student and coming from a school that is known for having a strong program in whatever you are studying is more important than the school being ranked number one. For example, MIT is a wonderful school, but it is known for its science programs. Somebody who gets a degree in history from MIT will probably be able to get a job--but it would be much better if they came from a school like the University of Chicago, which is known for having a great history program.