又是一个老话题 HKUST vs. CEIBS

星星点灯2010

主要看你喜欢那一家，别人的评论仅供参考而已。每家学校都有它的好，跟着感觉走。

grossman

长江不错，但是我听了版内有个清华mba的校友答疑，感觉清华全职就业也不必长江弱啊，会不会清华凭借他的本硕校友优势，后发制人，成为国内一股新的力量

-- by 会员 alexdu (2011/4/27 21:42:22)

Tsinghua has its resources in the government. However, in the last 62 years, Tsinghua has never produced a top scholar. That is a tragedy for China.

grossman

感觉楼上是长江的托，一直在网上打压CEIBS，其实没必要这样，把人家打压下去了，难道就能把自己学校衬托出来吗？

-- by 会员 y001j (2011/4/27 21:14:28)

no interest in putting down CEIBS. Just pointing out the differences in style among various schools. You may say that HKUST, CKGSB, SAIF are more US type while CEIBS is more Spanish type.

CEIBS does have a few stellar faculties, for example, Huang Ming in Finance and Chiang Jeongwen in Marketing. However, they lost lots of top talent too.  Chang Chun and Chen Hong went to SAIF. Katherine Xin went to IMD and Sam Park went to a top Russian school.

y001j

既然CKGSB更US style，为啥HBS的副校长要去CEIBS？好像CEIBS的faculty里西班牙人不多吧。俺不了解内情，可以解释下下不？

grossman

既然CKGSB更US style，为啥HBS的副校长要去CEIBS？好像CEIBS的faculty里西班牙人不多吧。俺不了解内情，可以解释下下不？

-- by 会员 y001j (2011/4/28 0:13:09)

HBS associate dean is not a big deal in HBS.  Star professors do not want to be deans in the US.
Professor Quelch gets more respect as a Professor rather than Associate Dean and he is a pretty good old school marketing professor.
Check his publications, he is on par with Chiang but Chiang is younger.  ublications are more important than titles

There are lots of Spanish professors but also Europeans. Spanish is the largest group among Europeans:

	Economics	Cremer, Rolf D. Loechel, Horst Pastor, Alfredo Prodi, Romano
		Operations Management	Ribera, Jaume
		Decision Science
	Finance/Accounting
		Accounting	Ding, Yuan
		Finance	Tse, Kalun
	Management
		Human Resource Management / Organizational Behavior	Doucet, Lorna Fernandez, Juan A. Saar, Shalom Saada Wierdsma, André
		Management/Strategy	de Bettignies, Henri-Claude Schütte, Hellmut
		Entrepreneurship	Nueno, Pedro
	Marketing
		Marketing	Burgers, Willem P.

太阳狮子

Hmm,果然深入,比身在CEIBS的我更了解我们的教授情况. 不过上面名单里面有几个教过我们的,貌似肯定不是西班牙也不是欧洲的
中欧中欧么,肯定跟欧洲很有渊源的,不过有欧洲教授不代表就一条大道偏去欧洲了.MBA的教授来说,美国的貌似比欧洲的多(我只说10到现在的情况),中国老师基本上都是从米国回来的. 比例是一个方面,绝对值也是一个方面是把. 中欧美国同学的比例是没那么高,但是绝对值算下来也不是很少的说.
西班牙同学的确不少,一届有超过10个,帅哥很多很养眼. exchange去IESE就有8个名额,不过,去米国交换的同学算下来是西班牙的几倍,即便是跟欧洲比,也是成数倍的关系.
中欧在中国毕竟不在美国,中国也不仅仅只跟美国做生意,欧盟现在算重要合作伙伴,diversification不是么. 几十个国家的同学呆一块,真还是挺有意思的~~

grossman

Saar is an israelli

alexdu

长江不错，但是我听了版内有个清华mba的校友答疑，感觉清华全职就业也不必长江弱啊，会不会清华凭借他的本硕校友优势，后发制人，成为国内一股新的力量

-- by 会员 alexdu (2011/4/27 21:42:22)

Tsinghua has its resources in the government. However, in the last 62 years, Tsinghua has never produced a top scholar. That is a tragedy for China.

-- by 会员 grossman (2011/4/27 23:26:52)

但大部分读mba看重的是就业，至少从cd上得到的信息是全职mba清华一点也不差，甚至说更好

星星点灯2010

清华大学的声誉很高，不过mba就很难说了。这跟耶鲁在美国的情况差不多。

grossman

There are four conditions foTsinghua SEM to become a top business school:

1. SEM must be financially independent and does not pay a tax to the University
2. SEM is able to hire top scholars world wide with market based compensation.
3. Different areas can have different scales of pay for faculties
4. SEM can design its curriculum independent of Ministry of Education

Otherwise, with 1/5 of the market compensation, Tsinghua will be hard put to get top scholars to join except probably economists whom Tsinghua is able to match as economists are not paid well in the US either.

Without these changes, there is no way for Tsinghua to move ahead. The same thing applies to other areas. The key to the success of the Old Tsinghua sixty years ago was its faculty independence. Without that, Tsinghua will always be second rate in terms of its scholarship.