请前辈们指教：中欧还是清华

enjoywind

       非常感谢各位的意见，让我想明白了很多。现在只剩下一个方面的顾虑，就是地域性的影响究竟有多大，因为我毕业后还是想回到长三角工作，如果想去VC或者consulting方面的工作，选择清华是否比选择中欧会有很多的不便和机会成本？
       很快就要做决定了，还请知情者能再给些信息，由衷感谢！

慕容小强

数月不来，趣闻不少。

VC满地都是，但良莠不齐。VC课里各界VC的合伙人纷纷来给我们上小课，经常抱怨招不到人，一听说咱们本土VC课程授课邀请，飞的免费速到。一边上课一边招人。“我们总是找不到人，我们要求也不高，财务知识懂一点，大公司小公司都干过，各职位都了解，最好有过成功创业经历就可以了......”实在不行，好歹有创业投资管理方向学习的学生也勉强。

不过肯定的是清华在长三角求职没有在北京方便。

至于大学资源，能用得好的人很少，但不是没有。清华前两届创赛队伍里到现在六七家达到预备上市资格的师兄绝大部分核心创始人都有MBA背景，用的是大学资源——不管从孵化器还是第一轮投资人还是第二轮投资还是学校出面扶助贷款。（资源在那里放着，没错是本硕博连读的优先，很可惜的是他们这个时间点上有能拿得上市场的商业产品么？）

清华本科普硕和博士的创业教育都是用的MBA的教科书，清华创业中心主任本身也是MBA教育负责人。金融中心主任是EMBA教育负责人。很大程度上普本硕博在VC/PE/IB预备教育上在共享曾经的给MBA教育安排的资源。当然反过来，MBA也有机会享受到很多普本硕资源。

有个老师说得好，别人怎么看你们是你们自己用实力去争取的。

慕容小强

上边有个同学提到了某非211本科什么60分没口语的什么同学入学，先不说这个是不是某个我们听说的7年央企副处级干部多年预备正处级的同学。（从这个角度来看职业发展好象不比大多数TOP4本科会两门流利外语口语的同学差吧？哈佛还收过不知名学校肄业生。——录取老师对该同学的评语是长得帅。。。帅到了总统竞选团里。）清华MBA里穷的确实很多，但小康的也不少，至少我们知道我们平均每个班都有奔驰宝马的同学。

同班也有中金、摩根士丹利的同学。也有F班开汽车4S店的，以及F班央视报道开B2C公司销售额超过5000万的。——对了，F班的同学大部分就是所谓口语比较弱的。I班里咱们级也有超过8个哈佛、剑桥、耶鲁这级别本科的，人家都没嫌弃Tsinghua MBA牌子有问题

综上，考虑一下自己适合哪个风格，自己能够利用多少资源，自己喜欢结交什么朋友，这样选取学校就是。如果你手里就这两个Offer，恐怕还没资格说哪个Offer不配你的水平。

enjoywind

慕容 我从来我也没说哪个offer不配我水平 相反2个都是好学校 而目前我读全职的MBA机会成本并不低 所以才希望多听听大家的意见 得出最终的结论。

       感谢你的意见，说实在的，我当初申请中欧的同时报考清华，多多少少也是受到你不予余力的宣传学校的影响。虽然你的一些言语我个人看来有些过激，但确实难得有清华的同学不潜水来介绍学校的。

       还是希望更多的清华MBA来说说自己的学校，这本也是论坛的意义，大家交流思想。

      回到我的问题，如果我去了北京，以后想回长三角就业，困难究竟有多大？谢谢！

慕容楠生

知道一朋友的朋友，非211本科，GPA<2，联考英语60分，口语接近于0，去了清华PT。
so 清华的 mba在我心中印象立马下降了。

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知道一朋友的朋友，非211本科，GPA<2，联考英语60分，口语接近于0，去了清华PT。
so 清华的 mba在我心中印象立马下降了。

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不好意思，我没注意ID的名字，我说的是这个人。

-- by 会员 慕容楠生 (2010/4/7 11:12:45)

慕容真的好久不见哦~~顶~~

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锦江III

Hi! 凑个热闹, 转篇好文贺大师出山。

Thomas Pan at Tsinghua University

Thomas Pan
Thomas Pan is currently studying for his MBA at China’s Tsinghua University. We asked him about the program and what it’s like living in China.


Where are you from originally?

I was born in Hong Kong but I have paternal roots in Suzhou, just outside of Shanghai. At the age of one, I moved to the United Kingdom, where I spent most of my formative years. I also spent some time living in London, Hong Kong and Singapore before heading over to California for my undergrad degree.

Why did you choose Tsinghua University?

After graduating, I worked in London and Hong Kong before settling in New York City. I actually started my US applications in 2007 but was concerned about my future in the US as a non-American, not to mention it was still a good time to keep working back then. When the time came for me to reevaluate an MBA in 2008, I realized two things: firstly, that I needed to differentiate myself from the growing number of MBA graduates in the US and secondly, that anyone willing to do an MBA in the US is probably in a prime position to take a little risk in life. With this epiphany, I hopped on a plane to China and took a look around Beijing and Shanghai, then settled on investing my future with Tsinghua University.

It’s true that CEIBS is sitting pretty with its respectable FT ranking and Peking University arguably has a more established international name than Tsinghua. However, the experience that impresses me the most about Tsinghua is the power of its brand name within China. Upon hearing the words Tsinghua University, local Chinese almost invariably confer upon you a degree of admiration and respect I’ve seldom observed anywhere else in the world. This attitude is likely driven by Tsinghua’s mainstream representation in China’s economic development and political leadership. Next, take a look at Tsinghua’s advisory board and you’ll find a list of business leaders that’ll make your jaw drop. To me, this is allure. This is what tells me I’m looking at the right place. If you’re going to throw yourself voluntarily into the dragon’s den, you’d better take the sharpest blades in there with you.

Did you consider other schools in China as well?

I considered Peking University’s Guanghua Program as well as CEIBS in Shanghai, but decided that since neither complemented my agenda, I would not apply. Both are fantastic programs, but I felt that Beijing was a better platform from which to learn about China (try visiting Shanghai as an expat in your late 20’s and you’ll find an abundance of distractions) and that Tsinghua held a marginally better brand name in today’s China.


Are there a lot of international students in your classes?

My class in Tsinghua’s International MBA has just over 120 students, of which over 45% are internationals. International students represent 16 different countries, which I think is phenomenal for a single class in a Mainland Chinese MBA. The year above me of about 100 students stood at almost 55% international, representing 11 different countries. In total, there are 22 nationalities in our combined classes. Please excuse all the stats – perhaps I’m becoming more Chinese but it’s a habit I’ve picked up since moving out here: Chinese people love to hear the numbers!

I’m also happy to report that this year, we welcomed our first Finnish, Israeli, Indian, Romanian and Swiss students to the Tsinghua MBA family.

Are you planning on staying in China after graduation?

Absolutely! I have two main beliefs about coming to China at my age. Firstly, you have to keep your mind open to being here for the long-run. By that, I mean well beyond the two years of your Tsinghua MBA. Thinking on a two-year plan will only restrict your sense of exploration, adventure and perspective.
Secondly, being frank, I think most MBA candidates in China recognize that while a Chinese MBA degree may raise a few eyebrows or differentiate us back home, the brand names still have a hill to climb in the international arena. Nonetheless, we’re all here because we know that within China, our degrees open doors that no foreign degree can come close to opening, and that education in China is modernizing to international standards at an unprecedented pace. With the experience we gain here, we hope to be well-positioned for the mounting surge in Sino-global business. We’re first movers, we’ve invested in our advantage, and we’re here to stay.

Why do you think China has become such a hot destination for international students looking for MBAs?

There are a host of different reasons really, some shallower and some deeper. On the shallow end, Chinese MBAs remain relatively cheap compared to US or European degrees, and there’s a strong demand from universities for international students too. Moving deeper, I personally find that US MBAs are becoming increasingly commoditized and homogeneous. Global experience is an excellent way to differentiate oneself today, as is a willingness to swim upstream instead of going with the herd. What better way to demonstrate such qualities than to come to China, where the language is gibberish to non-Chinese speakers, foreigners still stick out like a sore thumb, and the pace of change is reminiscent of Michael Phelps’ Olympics record-breaking spree? MBA candidates are waking up to the fact that China’s ascendance is inevitable, and that in terms of positioning oneself for this growth, few things trump first-hand, on-site experience of the local culture and mentality.

Thomas Pan, Tsinghua