【已证实！！！请教一个语法点】and also

babybearmm

我最近看到Ron说这个"and also"的用法，在这道题里perfect。

正确句子如下：
A novelist who turned away from literary realism to write romantic stories about the peasant life and landscape of northern Sweden, Selma Lagerlöf became in 1909 the first woman and also the first Swedish writer to winthe Nobel Prize for Literature.

作者要表达的是这么一个平行关系：
1) first woman
                                                 to win the Nobel Prize for Literature
2) first swedish writer

而不是：
1) first woman
2) first swedish writer to win the Nobel Prize for Literature

如果你仅仅只用"and"，读者可以理解为第一种，也可以理解为第二种，逻辑上都说得过去（有"first woman"的说法），这就有些歧义
而加上"also"，这句子你读一读：
... the first woman and also the first Swedish writer to winthe Nobel Prize for Literature.
读的时候强调"also"，逻辑意思一下子就明确了。

所以这题告诉我们，一切从meaning出发，从correctness&effectiveness出发。不是所有的"and also"都算redundant，我看Manhattan上面说GMAC出题的发展趋势就是要惩罚那些用"unwarranted shorcut"的考生。
大多数句子,and就够了，干吗画蛇添足加个also？这个句子，加also能让意思更清晰明确。

_刚找到Ron的原版解释，跟我以上有点出入，按他说的理解吧。

babybearmm

找到了
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/post49102.html

"X and Y" is normally used to indicate two different things. (if you said "the first woman and the first Swedish writer", without the "also", that would normally imply 2 different people)

"X and also Y" is normally used to bestow two descriptions on the SAME person or thing (notice that both of these descriptions are meant to describe Selma Lagerlof).

--Ron

泾渭不凡

找到了
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/post49102.html

"X and Y" is normally used to indicate two different things. (if you said "the first woman and the first Swedish writer", without the "also", that would normally imply 2 different people)

"X and also Y" is normally used to bestow two descriptions on the SAME person or thing (notice that both of these descriptions are meant to describe Selma Lagerlof).

--Ron

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/13 20:14:39)

谢谢baby姐姐~~饭饭这里有所领悟了！

yucen

今天看到这个帖子，发现好多人跟我一样有这个问题啊……

eb1forever

我最近看到Ron说这个"and also"的用法，在这道题里perfect。

正确句子如下：
A novelist who turned away from literary realism to write romantic stories about the peasant life and landscape of northern Sweden, Selma Lagerlöf became in 1909 the first woman and also the first Swedish writer to winthe Nobel Prize for Literature.

作者要表达的是这么一个平行关系：
1) first woman
                                                 to win the Nobel Prize for Literature
2) first swedish writer

而不是：
1) first woman
2) first swedish writer to win the Nobel Prize for Literature

如果你仅仅只用"and"，读者可以理解为第一种，也可以理解为第二种，逻辑上都说得过去（有"first woman"的说法），这就有些歧义
而加上"also"，这句子你读一读：
... the first woman and also the first Swedish writer to winthe Nobel Prize for Literature.
读的时候强调"also"，逻辑意思一下子就明确了。

所以这题告诉我们，一切从meaning出发，从correctness&effectiveness出发。不是所有的"and also"都算redundant，我看Manhattan上面说GMAC出题的发展趋势就是要惩罚那些用"unwarranted shorcut"的考生。
大多数句子,and就够了，干吗画蛇添足加个also？这个句子，加also能让意思更清晰明确。

_刚找到Ron的原版解释，跟我以上有点出入，按他说的理解吧。

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/13 20:06:28)

感谢。明白了

idealibt

CD真的是好神奇 做SC时遇到困惑 按照“and also”关键词查询 就出来CD这么个回复 baby姐强大！！！

jay871750293

非常受用，谢谢baby姐~~

crazysuo

ron :
"X and Y" is normally used to indicate two different things. (if you said "the first woman and the first Swedish writer", without the "also", that would normally imply 2 different people)

"X and also Y" is normally used to bestow two descriptions on the SAME person or thing (notice that both of these descriptions are meant to describe Selma Lagerlof).

午夜精灵Ying

babybearmm 发表于 2012-2-13 20:06
我最近看到Ron说这个"and also"的用法，在这道题里perfect。正确句子如下：A novelist who turned away fro ...

Baby 姐，实在是太感谢你了

咩咩酱77

很清楚！超级感谢~