说说今天Wharton的event

GHOSTFACE

感觉如下：

1.主持MM的口语太速度了，比rapper还快，毕业了可以去做MC

2.去听的人众多，校友也去了不少，但经验分享部分略少

3.Admission office那个西装男基本没吭声，失望

4.PPT质量还可以，尤其有关申请的部分

5.最后说一句，现场发现不少美女，以及帅男

总体来说有点赶，详细展开的部分不多，感觉Wharton是个很严谨的学校

完毕，欢迎大家踊跃补充啊

酒楼

人太多了，坐倒数第二排，几乎啥都听不清。

现场的人岁数跨度很大，还有些老外。

进酒店的时候看见四个人，觉得是沃顿的学生，一问果然。（有种气场）

校友好多，而且有个人偶是第二年见他了，嘿嘿。

后来提前走了，因为觉得大家问的问题跟cd上也差不太多。看答疑帖就够了。

[此贴子已经被作者于2009-6-10 23:35:34编辑过]

liangtyro

就这个info session来说，我感觉很失望，完全没有insight sharing，所有的信息在网上都有。不过wharton的影响还是够大的，校友网络很广，毕竟是global top3。

NeilJ

这种聚会本来就是去听官话的 没什么事情做的时候去散散心 有insigh那是surpring

cannedpineapple

Thanks for the feedback guys. What exactly do you mean by 'insight'? Can you give me an example of a piece of 'insight' that the school can offer you that would be more useful? I suspect that here there might be a disconnect between what we're telling you (which is the truth, although it sounds 'official' and doesn't sound like 'insight') and the type of information you want, like 'we will ONLY accept 10% off the waitlist every year!'. We can't give you the latter type of information not because we're trying to keep it secret, but because it's simply not true.

As the co-head of Volunteer Admissions at Wharton, I would love to hear back from you guys about what information you think might be more helpful, though. I believe that will help everyone! Thanks!

brass20y

Jason,

In my opinion, the session could be organized or structured better:

1. For me, there are two kinds of helpful insights: one is specific data like "how many students are from mainland in class 2011" or "Why does wharton admit so few candidates in R2 of last year"(Actually, I ask the former but get no answer which feedback me directly. I know the stat. means nothing for my admission but at least I expect a direct answer rather than the "standard answer" adcom prepared); the other is sth which are not so "formal". Each school will present that my school can provide many good resrouces to students. So does Wharton. But if you can present some specific advantage, it is better. Give you an example, I remember in some session of Duke, an Alumni told us sth on Marketing course. He said that my professor xxx(I forgot his name) said the best two marketing school are Fuqua and Wharton, and explain why...(many specific points and very impressive); I think it is with more "insight" than what wharton adcom said this time - we have blabla, good at blabla and give you blabla, definitely each school can say that.

2. Another cent is for Alumni. If they were assigned for five minutes to give us three topics one by one(self-introduction, the most impressive moment and what wharton help him in his career), I am sure the effect is better. From their sharing and really impressive stories, I think we can get more insights rather than sth like "wharton is great school, you can get anything you want......". Maybe that means more efforts for each volunteered alumni.

In Sum, I think insight is more than sth that you can get easily from website or indirect method rather than F2F; I am from Shanghai and only want to share my understanding with you (not challenge your school or you, definitely, wharton is my dream school...)

cannedpineapple

Brass20y>

There is a reason we don't give you a straight
answer to 'how many students are from mainland China in the class of
2011'. You're really asking this in order to try and estimate your own
chances (otherwise, if it's completely irrelevant to your admission, I
believe that you will agree with me that the school is entirely right
to reserve its right to not comment). As for how relevant this question
is, there are a few problems: 1) what is a 'mainland china' student?
Does it include students who only worked, studied and grew up in China?
Does it include all Chinese passport holders? How about those who
recently converted to citizenship elsewhere? Are those included too? 2)
A second related problem is, if you're going to go into profiling, why
stop there? Why not ask how many consultants were admitted, or how many
Ibankers, or PE people, etc? 3) All this links to a larger problem,
even more important- the school simply does not have a 'quota' for
students (and this is exactly what Ankur said). I think the best guide
of this (and I've mentioned this multiple times) is to look at a
programme where there is incredible transparency- the Lauder programme.
If ever there would be a quota, it would be for the Lauder Institute,
since the school has already built a building for it, committed
professors and many other resources to it. But even in our programme,
we've had as little as 45 students, and as many as 70. I can't speak
for other schools, but that is how things are done at Wharton. No quota
on any profile. As for R2, I've seen the stats. I know for a fact that
we did not 'admit so few candidates in R2 of last year'. So I'm not sure where you're getting this information.

As for which
schools are best at what, I think if you've been to enough professional
events, (and I've also gone to a great many at Wharton) to know that
BCG for instance is not going to tell you, "At BCG we feel that, like
McKinsey and Bain, we are the top firms because we are common in these
ways.... but we are different from them in these ways...". It is simply
not professional and would indeed be wrong (since we know best about
our own school, and a lot less about the other schools) to compare
yourself with other schools and say things like "the two best marketing
schools are Fuqua and Wharton". At best, we can say, "Wharton is a
great marketing school for the following reasons-". As for your
suggestion of 'we have blabla, good at blabla and give you blabla', I
think that was exactly what Ankur was doing, saying 'we offer the
following at Wharton, are good (and take pride) in the following
things, and we believe that we can help you in the following ways (eg.
through global access, through tight-knit alumni, etc)'. Did you think
this wasn't clear?

Lastly, as for the alumni, thank you for
your feedback. I think among all your comments this is the most easily
rectified. Having said that, though, I think this was
not done because of time constraints. And really, I would think about
why Wharton keeps 'repeating' the same information- it's not that we're
trying to restrict information. It's because we've looked carefully at
all our information, and decided this is the most relevant for
everyone. To give you an idea, when I applied to Wharton I looked only
at the website, and did not talk to a single person. I think that is
testament to the fact that Wharton provides a lot of readily available
information online for you.

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brass20y

Thank you, Jason

You are really patient to give me feedback.

NeilJ

所谓的insight的回答就是那些adcom所谓的灰色地带 对申请有实质影响的  我相信大家都有这感觉 那天的演讲如果我把wharton的logo换成chicago或者kellogg或者其他任何一个商学院的logo 你是感觉不到任何差别的 片子可以还是那套片子 话还是那套话

我记得有个哥们问的问题挺好 但是AO给搪塞过去了 就是为什么大陆招的女的多？看看AO给的不痛不痒的答案 我也不想问其他问题了 比如去年R2的事情

cannedpineapple

NeilJ> For "why there are so many females from China", read my comprehensive reply about there not being a quota above. This applies to nationality, gender, professional background, languages spoken- any category you can think of. For R2, I think you guys have concluded something that really didn't happen. There wasn't any sort of conspiracy or anything like that. Looking at the whole class, the number of Chinese students taken this year was similar to last year.

As for the school presentations being very similar, I suspect that this is because the schools themselves ARE very similar. There is really a lot more similarities between business schools than there are differences. I remember feeling the same way when I went for presentations, and I also feel the same way between consulting firms (eg. McKinsey, BCG, Bain, Booz etc all seemed like they were saying the same thing. Everyone is a 'thought leader' and everyone cares about 'teamwork', and so on). Having said that, if you listen carefully there are differences. No school has as many electives as us. No school has the alumni reach that we do, particularly in China, and this is especially the case because we graduate not only MBA alumni but also undergrad Wharton business students. And so on. The difference is, Ankur would say it like this, 'Wharton takes pride in having 200+ electives', 'Wharton has an extensive alumni network that you can benefit from', etc. As a savvy business school applicant who should be able to pick out good information, if you listen a little closer, and if you've done your research into other schools, you can quickly (as I did) translate that into, 'compared to other schools, Wharton...' We can't do this comparison for you (again, see my reply above) because it is simply not professional and sends the wrong signal.

I'm sorry I can't help you more here, but that's simply how it works. The first rule of any such events is, you talk about yourself, and not others. The trick is to not only listen to what they're saying, but then researching into it and looking for the numbers/facts to back it up. As you point out, for instance, every school is proud of their academics, and of having varied electives to offer. But can everyone say that they offer 200+ electives? Nope.