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长江商学院与中欧商学院教授介绍、比较 2 (市场营销)

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31#
发表于 2008-11-28 10:31:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用wsagi在2008-11-28 2:43:00的发言:

你这个'学术研究实力排名全球第六'的说法有十分明显的误导

原帖只是长江教授的人均论文数量或质量排名第六

同时长江很多不过是客座教授

他们研究成果也是在母校进行的

呵呵,有必要在这里争论么?任何学校都希望通过一些客观事实来宣传自己。

大家多多参加长江和中欧的Info Session,用心去选择自己合适的学校才是呀!当然还要注意一点,你在选择学校,学校也在选择你


[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-28 10:31:07编辑过]
32#
发表于 2008-11-28 10:41:00 | 只看该作者

本人同中欧长江都没有一点关联

只不过看不惯这种有误导性的帖子

大家来这儿是希望得到有用的信息

各位校友自己为了学校好说点好话可以理解

但是如果是有心误导甚至欺骗的话就让人无法接受了

33#
发表于 2008-11-28 11:36:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用wsagi在2008-11-28 10:41:00的发言:

本人同中欧长江都没有一点关联

只不过看不惯这种有误导性的帖子

大家来这儿是希望得到有用的信息

各位校友自己为了学校好说点好话可以理解

但是如果是有心误导甚至欺骗的话就让人无法接受了

凡事不要上纲上线,你这么无聊大可安心工作与学习

34#
发表于 2008-11-28 12:01:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用wenronhui在2008-11-27 14:30:00的发言:
吹嘘放大炮实力排名全球第一!!!

你这个样子离你所标榜的宝洁雀巢的经营之道相差太远了吧?

你只是想用最简单的方式证明别人不如你,那就是打击其所属的群体,学校、工作等等

即使他们没有进IB、进咨询,就能说明你比他们强吗?你比他们强了又怎么样了呢?

你的成功永远不建筑在别人的失败之上,这是我在MBA第一天学到的

35#
发表于 2008-11-28 13:19:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用bestone在2008-11-28 11:36:00的发言:

凡事不要上纲上线,你这么无聊大可安心工作与学习

本版这么多托儿里

您老是最兢兢业业尽职尽责的

这么多年了

不容易啊

佩服佩服

36#
发表于 2008-11-28 16:32:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用simba18在2008-11-27 16:35:00的发言:

老兄怎么忘了说中欧的教授也有在哥伦比亚大学,纽约大学和INSEAD教学的经历?

 

美国的名校总是到长江来用高薪挖教授,他们的院长教授是儍瓜吗?

洗耳恭听长江教授被美国名校“挖”的内幕。

另外发现长江一大特色是大量的“访问”教授,(超过一般正常能理解的比例,而中欧访问教授的数目屈指可数)不知道这个“教授”和一般意义上的“教授”区别在那?


Teaching is different from tenure track. None of the CEIBS professors had tenure track positions from top Western business schools with the only exception of Chang Chun who was a chaired professor in U of Minnesota and Steve White who was on tenure track at Insead but did not get tenure.

At CKGSB, the following people left CKGSB and went to a top US/Canadian business school. Chen Hong, Huang Ming, lIu Jin were hired away by UBC, Cornell, and UCLA respectively in 2005.

However, both Liu Jin and Huang Ming came back in 2008 as regular Full Professors. Chen Hong will come back as a regular Full Professor next year.

The difference between a visiting Professor and a regular Full Professor is that a visting Professor cannot vote.

Currently, CKGSB has the following visiting professors:

Chen Yuxin, marketing,  visting from NYU

Xie Jialin, OB, visting from U of Toronto

Chen Yaru, OB, visiting from Cornell

Wang Jiang, Finance, visiting from MIT

Chen Zhiwu, Finance, visiting from Yale

Zhu Xiaoguo, OM, visiting from UCSD.

Professor Sun Baohong and Professor Yan Aimin are listed as visiting Professors but will be converted to Full Professors by 2009. The reason that there is a delay is that CKGSB usually have the 2+8 contract. That means a faculty comes in as a visiting Professor and then will be converted to a regular professor after 2years. During the 2 years, they can mingle with the resident faculties and be familiar with the CKGSB culture and decide whether they want to stay at CKGSB or not. After that, the regular faculties will have a contract with CKGSB for 8 years which can be renewed when the contract expires. CKGSB has converted the following people from visiting to regular positions:

Liu Jin, Accounting

Wang Yijiang, HR

Li Wei, Economics

Henry Cao, Finance

Mei Jianping, Finance

Huang Ming, Finance

Liu Jun Finance

Teng Bingsheng, Strategy

Li Lode, Operations Management

Zheng Yusheng Operations Management

Sun Baohong, Marketing

Yan Aimin, OB

Chiang Jeongwen, Marketing

Consider the 6 year history of CKGSB, the conversion rate is quite high.

The problem with CEIBS is that they list people who are actually visiting professors as Professors. For example the following people should be listed as visiting professors and come to CEIBS only to teach but somehow they are called regular professors on the CEIBS web page although they do not get salaries from CEIBS and are only paid by the hours they teach at CEIBS:

Fang Yue, is a professor of Oregon

Jaume Ribera, is a Professor at IESE

Linda Sprague, is now retired

Kalun Tse, is a Professor of Nyenrode of Netherland

Keith Goodall, Senior Associate at University of Cambridge

Pedro Nueno, Professor at IESE

Sam Park, has long left CEIGS for Samsung Institute but is still listed on the CEIBS web site.

Guys like these would not be listed or be listed as visiting Professors at CKGSB. Now you should understand the difference.


[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-28 22:53:48编辑过]
37#
发表于 2008-11-28 17:39:00 | 只看该作者

As a CKGSB staff, I think your "due diligence" research is too narrow.

Some ceibs professor names for your further research:

Pastor, Alfredo

Sprague, Linda G.

Ding, Yuan

Goodall, Keith

Park, Seung Ho "Sam"

Nueno, Pedro

besides, compared with a "professor", the only differnce is "a visiting professor" can not vote?  I have some doubts.  As can see, some CEIBS professor is also "visiting professor" of some other schools.  So is it true that the difference is so slight? 

38#
发表于 2008-11-28 17:40:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用grossman在2008-11-28 16:32:00的发言:

Teaching is different from tenure track. None of the CEIBS professors had tenure track positions from top Western business schools with the only exception of Chang Chun who was a chaired professor in U of Minnesota and Steve White who was on tenure track at Insead but did not get tenure.

At CKGSB, the following people left CKGSB and went to a top US/Canadian business school. Chen Hong, Huang Ming, lIu Jin were hired away by UBC, Cornell, and UCLA respectively in 2005.

However, both Liu Jin and Huang Ming came back in 2008 as regular Full Professors. Chen Hong will come back as a regular Full Professor next year.

The difference between a visiting Professor and a regular Full Professor is that a visting Professor cannot vote.

Currently, CKGSB has the following visiting professors:

Chen Yuxin, marketing,  visting from NYU

Xie Jialin, OB, visting from U of Toronto

Chen Yaru, OB, visiting from Cornell

Wang Jiang, Finance, visiting from MIT

Chen Zhiwu, Finance, visiting from Yale

Zhu Xiaoguo, OM, visiting from UCSD.

Professor Sun Baohong and Professor Yan Aimin are listed as visiting Professors but will be converted to Full Professors by 2009. The reason that there is a delay is that CKGSB usually have the 2+8 contract. That means a faculty comes in as a visiting Professor and then will be converted to a regular professor after 2years. During the 2 years, they can mingle with the resident faculties and be familiar with the CKGSB culture and decide whether they want to stay at CKGSB or not. After that, the regular faculties will have a contract with CKGSB for 8 years which can be renewed when the contract expires. CKGSB has converted the following people from visiting to regular positions:

Liu Jin, Accounting

Wang Yijiang, HR

Li Wei, Economics

Henry Cao, Finance

Mei Jianping, Finance

Huang Ming, Finance

Liu Jun Finance

Teng Bingsheng, Strategy

Li Lode, Operations Management

Zheng Yusheng Operations Management

Sun Baohong, Marketing

Yan Aimin, OB

Chiang Jeongwen, Marketing

Consider the 6 year history of CKGSB, the conversion rate is quite high.

The problem with CEIBS is that they list people who are actually visiting professors as Professors. For example the following people should be listed as visiting professors and come to CEIBS only to teach but somehow they are called regular professors on the CEIBS web page although they do not get salaries from CEIBS and are only paid by the hours they teach at CEIBS:

Fang Yue, is a professor of Oregon

Jaume Ribera, is a Professor at IESE

Linda Sprague, is now retired

Kalun Tse, is a Professor of Nyenrode of Netherland

Keith Goodall, Senior Associate at University of Cambridge

Sam Park, has long left CEIGS for Samsung Institute but is still listed on the CEIBS web site.

Guys like these would not be listed or be listed as visiting Professors at CKGSB. Now you should understand the difference.


Very good!

This infomation is very important!

39#
发表于 2008-11-28 22:50:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用simba18在2008-11-28 17:39:00的发言:

As a CKGSB staff, I think your "due diligence" research is too narrow.

Some ceibs professor names for your further research:

Pastor, Alfredo

Sprague, Linda G.

Ding, Yuan

Goodall, Keith

Park, Seung Ho "Sam"

Nueno, Pedro

besides, compared with a "professor", the only differnce is "a visiting professor" can not vote?  I have some doubts.  As can see, some CEIBS professor is also "visiting professor" of some other schools.  So is it true that the difference is so slight? 

 


CURRICULUM VITAE

        

Personal Information

 

                   

 

Last Name:

NUENO INIESTA

 

First Name:    

Pedro

 

Business Address: 

IESE
             Business
             School

Av.Pearson,21                                     

08034 Barcelona (SPAIN)

 

Business Telephone:

34-93-253-42-00

 

Business Fax: 

34-93-253-43-43

 

E-mail:

pnueno@iese.edu

 

Date of Birth:   

May 27, 1944

 

Place of Birth:

Barcelona

 

Nationality:  

Spanish

 

 

Higher Education

 

•   Technical Architect, Escuela Técnica de Aparejadores. Barcelona, 1966.

•   Industrial Engineer, Escuela Técnica Superior de Ingenieros Industriales. Barcelona, 1968

•   Doctor of Business Administration. Graduate School of Business Administration, Harvard
         University. Boston (USA), 1973

 

 

Teaching and Research Experience

 

•   IESE, University of Navarra

 

 

25.11.68 - 1.1.73

Research Assistant in the Department of Production Management

 

1.1.73 - 31.5.74

Instructor in the Department of Production Management

 

31.5.74 - 30.10.75

Assistant Professor

 

30.10.75 - 23.6.82

Associate Professor

 

23.6.82 – present

Full Professor

 

21.12.87 - present

Bertran Foundation Chair for Entrepreneurial Management

 

 

·         China
        Europe
        International
        Business
        School (CEIBS), Shanghai

1994 – present           Professor

1.1.05 – present         Executive President

 

·         Guest Professor at IPADE, Mexico, 1975, 1976 and 1985 (Advanced Management Program)

·         Guest Professor at Harvard
         Business
         School, Boston (USA), during the 1979-80 academic year (2nd year, Masters Program), 1988, 1989, 1996, 1997, 1998

·         Guest Professor at IAE, Argentina, 1978-1992 

·         Guest Professor at University of Piura, Top Management Program, Peru, 1982

·         Guest Professor at Oxford
         University, 1983

·         Guest Professor at Nijenrode
        Business
        School (The Netherlands), 1985, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994

·         Guest Professor at University of Twente (The Netherlands), 1988

·         Guest Professor at IEDC (Slovenia), 1998, 2004, 2006

·         Guest Professor at AESE, Lisbon (Portugal), 2004, 2006

·         Guest Professor at Harvard
        University, Boston (USA), 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007

 

Linda Sprague taught at Arizon
    State,

Keith Goodall is a senior associate at Cambridge,

Sam Park taught at Rutgers,

Dingyuan taught at HEC

Alfred Pastor taught at IESE

Pedro Nueno is a Professor at IESE was a guest professor (visiting) at Harvard, not a tenure track professor, see the following web page and the related information http://web.iese.edu/curriculums/nueno_eng.html. Professor Nueno has no top journal publications and is very unlikely to make tenure in any top 100 US/Canadian business schools. Europe, like China has no tenure system with the exception of LBS and Insead. 

Moreover, Linda Sprague has retired and Sam Park has left CEIBS and Cambridge, Arizona State, Rutgers, HEC and IESE are not top business schools. Harvard is a top business schools but Pedro Nueno was never a tenure track professor there.  He was a guest professor there

The key difference between Visiting and regular professors is that visiting professors are usually on short term contracts with a school while regular professors are permanent or on the way to permanent professors in a school. At both CEIBS and CKGSB, the longest contracts for faculties are 10 years and these faculties can be viewed as permanent professors. Visiting Professor have only 2 year contracts and cannot vote.

Visiting Professors at CKGSB are very hard to get. They are all from top business schools, have strong research records and are excellent teachers. However, in some other schools, it is very easy to get visiting positions. It varies from school to school.

Another key difference between CKGSB and CEIBS is that CKGSB's faculty are mainly from top US business schools while CEIBS's faculty are mainly from local European (mostly Spain), Asian (Hong Kong and South East Asia), and Australian business schools

 

 

 

 


[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-28 23:12:15编辑过]
40#
发表于 2008-11-28 23:30:00 | 只看该作者
It goes without saying that the comparison between the two schools is not to say which one is better. Rather, the comparison allows the applicants to know more about the schools and let them decide which school is the best for them with a deeper understanding of both schools.
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