探讨一下未来的job market形势

wiwiana

以下是引用shoegal在2008-3-27 8:16:00的发言：
这些华尔街裁下来的人会不会也来念PhD?

i think so!

I have heard from some professors that when the financial markets are bad, there are more applicants to PhD (especially Finance and Economics). So in 2002 and 2003, the competition pools were very very tough after the tech bubble bursted. As the world economy was getting better in 2003, the application became relatively easier in 2004 onwards. I knew someone (a friend of my friend) who did not get any offer in 2003, but he then got a few one year later in 2004. In that year he did not do much which could change his qualifications, yet he could really get much better results after one year.

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jimmycen

斑竹的例子还不夸张，我五六年前还碰到过受过正规教育、从事体面工作的人不知Princeton这个校名有着怎样显赫的地位，居然认为是比Harvard差了几档的无名学校。

baiquan

In response to (很丢脸,我们国内大学的系里,有的老师都不知道uiuc),

why shouold know ?

UIUC sucks, wasted my 2 years, for a dirty cheap science master degree, very neagtive in my respect.   Ironically, the program ranked the 2nd place, my friends on that field still at school, even harder for postdoc.

that college likes to accept chinese students, abt 1000 ppl there

ppl know UIUC, because it is big and many science /engineering programs,

if someone studied accy (MSA program) or MSF (both 42k$ tuition for 1 year), 95% could not find job in the States within several months.

when I moved to another state, no one knows UIUC accounting or engineering rankings

To those who want to apply for US schools, selecting  your interested program is more important

if i am wrong, curse me. I and many of my friends said wasting time there.

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-3-29 3:54:49编辑过]

shentao

以下是引用baiquan在2008-3-29 3:32:00的发言：

In response to (很丢脸,我们国内大学的系里,有的老师都不知道uiuc),

why shouold know ?

UIUC sucks, wasted my 2 years, for a dirty cheap science master degree, very neagtive in my respect.   Ironically, the program ranked the 2nd place, my friends on that field still at school, even harder for postdoc.

that college likes to accept chinese students, abt 1000 ppl there

ppl know UIUC, because it is big and many science /engineering programs,

if someone studied accy (MSA program) or MSF (both 42k$ tuition for 1 year), 95% could not find job in the States within several months.

when I moved to another state, no one knows UIUC accounting or engineering rankings

To those who want to apply for US schools, selecting  your interested program is more important

if i am wrong, curse me. I and many of my friends said wasting time there.

看了觉得挺shocking的，UIUC的会计被很多国内的看作ms里的top2，我的一个朋友在那读书后也很快找到了工作

最近想了想排名之类的事情

我觉得美国和中国人一样，不是搞这个的，对排在15以后的学校可能都不大清楚，具体哪个好可能真不好说

排名最有意义和权威并最著名的该是mba排名

很多人不愿用那个来refer phd，不过我觉得mba的排名对phd还是有一定折射的

好placement& 好的社会和企业认知度>>好mba>>好的商学院>>好的academic和network资源>>好的phd

这里唯一缺失的该是academia互相之间的认知度，这个很影响phd的就业。

可惜商学院从来不靠产牛phd而出名，也不是靠phd赚钱。所以phd排名对大多数人都是没意义的。

对于非top20的学校，我觉得选mba排最高的。说实话，排在20以后的学校，除了cd上的中国人，多少人会知道会care呢

我认识对巴西couple，不去emory坚持去gsu读econ phd，

baiquan

UIUC Accounting maste 2 types: MSA and MAS, MAS for American. MSA for money and chinese pay for it.

in 2007 and beyond, (MSA program) or MSF (both 42k$ tuition for 1 year), 95% could not find job in the States within several months.

If I were wrong, shame on myself

stevewu

以下是引用baiquan在2008-3-29 11:40:00的发言：

UIUC Accounting maste 2 types: MSA and MAS, MAS for American. MSA for money and chinese pay for it.

in 2007 and beyond, (MSA program) or MSF (both 42k$ tuition for 1 year), 95% could not find job in the States within several months.

Well, most of my Chinese friends graduated (2007) from the MSA program have found jobs if they want to stay in US. According to my friends who will graduate this year, many of them have got offers either in NY or in CA. The job market at midwest has been very bad for international students recently, so most of them ended up seeking jobs at east coast or west coast. None of my friends work in Chicago area after graduation.

At the same time, I am surprised how easily undergraduate and MAS students can find a job here. Many of my students started their interns in the summer of the 2nd year, and many of them got offers in their juniors. It seems to me that they are not trying to find jobs after graduation, but choosing a decent job from big4 and other firms.

The job markets for US and non-US students are totally different because of language and visa issue. I guess this problem exists everywhere, not just in UIUC. Maybe my sample is not representative. Just provide some information I know.

stevewu

For accounting (PhDs), there is a huge gap between supply and demand of PhD graduates, and therefore there is a "PhD Project" trying to attack the gap. You can check AAA's website for more detailed information. It's shocking that 53.4% of the current accounting professors are 55 or older. It also provides the statistics of shortage in each area (auditing, tax, financial...etc.).

http://aaahq.org/temp/phd/index.cfm

baiquan

I said some UIUC MAS and MSF people could not find job in the States within several months, not lifelong

I know 3 female (with MSA and MSF degree from UIUC) are living in orchard down, those who know uiuc well should know orchard down. these women cannot find job, so have to stay with their LaoGong, now pregnant or watch kids at home.

I and my wife are UIUC graduates, to give you one more example, those who move to NYC or CA, nearly find jobs within 4~6 months in 2007 and the coming 2008.  

MSA & MSF stu cannot post their resumes on the college career website, due to non-citizen status.

if you think UIUC top, could u help them find a job? I believe they would be glad to pay you >>10k referral fee.

A lot of ppl (if aged > 27 with w/e) go for phd because of failure to find a job or  layoff, or being unhappy with his/her current job. Few are for phd title or research interest.

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panorama

This board is for PhDs. I don't think the job discussion for Masters are relevant here. Please go to other board instead.

Gaminyu

经济学上GSU 确实比EMORY 和GATECH强
我知道的一个GSU经济系FACULTY就是从EMORY的经济系跳到GSU来 原因不明
老外看的更实在 不跟中国人一样 牌子比实力看的重