探讨一下未来的job market形势

jimmycen

我觉得国内似乎更看重学校背景，是常春藤当然好，但要在中国是很著名的才行。而国外感觉学校好甚至是属于很次要的因素，跟的是不是大牛，Paper被认可的程度才是决定因素。

ruxuhan

在香港或者新加坡读完PhD in Finance，回国找工作前景如何(in 5 years)？

shoegal

这些华尔街裁下来的人会不会也来念PhD?

wiwiana

以下是引用shoegal在2008-3-27 8:16:00的发言：
这些华尔街裁下来的人会不会也来念PhD?

i think so!

I have heard from some professors that when the financial markets are bad, there are more applicants to PhD (especially Finance and Economics). So in 2002 and 2003, the competition pools were very very tough after the tech bubble bursted. As the world economy was getting better in 2003, the application became relatively easier in 2004 onwards. I knew someone (a friend of my friend) who did not get any offer in 2003, but he then got a few one year later in 2004. In that year he did not do much which could change his qualifications, yet he could really get much better results after one year.

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judydongxueni

以下是引用jimmycen在2008-3-26 22:12:00的发言：

我觉得国内似乎更看重学校背景，是常春藤当然好，但要在中国是很著名的才行。而国外感觉学校好甚至是属于很次要的因素，跟的是不是大牛，Paper被认可的程度才是决定因素。

国内对学校背景的评价非常的搞笑.对program的设置也非常不了解.

有些项目根本就是cash cow比如nyu的统计或者经济硕士,结果在国内也被认为是大牛才可以申到的.

只有哈耶普之流才被公认为牛校.而很多非常非常牛的学校国内的听都没听过.

我觉得以后形势会慢慢变好,越来越多的老师现在参加了公派项目,国内对国外大学的认知也会越来越准确.

(很丢脸,我们国内大学的系里,有的老师都不知道uiuc)

judydongxueni

以下是引用wiwiana在2008-3-27 10:45:00的发言：

i think so!

I have heard from some professors that when the financial markets are bad, there are more applicants to PhD (especially Finance and Economics). So in 2002 and 2003, the competition pools were very very tough after the tech bubble bursted. As the world economy was getting better in 2003, the application became relatively easier in 2004 onwards. I knew someone (a friend of my friend) who did not get any offer in 2003, but he then got a few one year later in 2004. In that year he did not do much which could change his qualifications, yet he could really get much better results after one year.

明年的phd申请形势十分严峻啊!

jimmycen

斑竹的例子还不夸张，我五六年前还碰到过受过正规教育、从事体面工作的人不知Princeton这个校名有着怎样显赫的地位，居然认为是比Harvard差了几档的无名学校。

baiquan

In response to (很丢脸,我们国内大学的系里,有的老师都不知道uiuc),

why shouold know ?

UIUC sucks, wasted my 2 years, for a dirty cheap science master degree, very neagtive in my respect.   Ironically, the program ranked the 2nd place, my friends on that field still at school, even harder for postdoc.

that college likes to accept chinese students, abt 1000 ppl there

ppl know UIUC, because it is big and many science /engineering programs,

if someone studied accy (MSA program) or MSF (both 42k$ tuition for 1 year), 95% could not find job in the States within several months.

when I moved to another state, no one knows UIUC accounting or engineering rankings

To those who want to apply for US schools, selecting  your interested program is more important

if i am wrong, curse me. I and many of my friends said wasting time there.

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shentao

以下是引用baiquan在2008-3-29 3:32:00的发言：

In response to (很丢脸,我们国内大学的系里,有的老师都不知道uiuc),

why shouold know ?

UIUC sucks, wasted my 2 years, for a dirty cheap science master degree, very neagtive in my respect.   Ironically, the program ranked the 2nd place, my friends on that field still at school, even harder for postdoc.

that college likes to accept chinese students, abt 1000 ppl there

ppl know UIUC, because it is big and many science /engineering programs,

if someone studied accy (MSA program) or MSF (both 42k$ tuition for 1 year), 95% could not find job in the States within several months.

when I moved to another state, no one knows UIUC accounting or engineering rankings

To those who want to apply for US schools, selecting  your interested program is more important

if i am wrong, curse me. I and many of my friends said wasting time there.

看了觉得挺shocking的，UIUC的会计被很多国内的看作ms里的top2，我的一个朋友在那读书后也很快找到了工作

最近想了想排名之类的事情

我觉得美国和中国人一样，不是搞这个的，对排在15以后的学校可能都不大清楚，具体哪个好可能真不好说

排名最有意义和权威并最著名的该是mba排名

很多人不愿用那个来refer phd，不过我觉得mba的排名对phd还是有一定折射的

好placement& 好的社会和企业认知度>>好mba>>好的商学院>>好的academic和network资源>>好的phd

这里唯一缺失的该是academia互相之间的认知度，这个很影响phd的就业。

可惜商学院从来不靠产牛phd而出名，也不是靠phd赚钱。所以phd排名对大多数人都是没意义的。

对于非top20的学校，我觉得选mba排最高的。说实话，排在20以后的学校，除了cd上的中国人，多少人会知道会care呢

我认识对巴西couple，不去emory坚持去gsu读econ phd，

baiquan

UIUC Accounting maste 2 types: MSA and MAS, MAS for American. MSA for money and chinese pay for it.

in 2007 and beyond, (MSA program) or MSF (both 42k$ tuition for 1 year), 95% could not find job in the States within several months.

If I were wrong, shame on myself