master or mba非常迷茫

ashleylee

各位NN 我现在是一名大四的学生 之前我一直想去商学院中的FINANCE方向读个MSF 但看到CD上说这个专业毕业后在美国不好找工作 但我去美国的目的就是想找个工作然后尽量留在那里 前两天一个YALE的MBA美国人劝我在国内工作两年然后去读MBA 因为他觉得MSF学不到东西 而且是个高投入低产出的活 可我个人非常想明年就出去 而且我以后想做咨询工作 这个美国人说既然你想做这个 那么不应该再读FINANCE 而是应该读GENERAL MANAGEMENT 我现在很迷茫 其实我读一个市场营销之类的MASTER也可以 只是好想尽快出去见一见 而且真的想在那里工作几年 否则找不到花那么多钱出去对我的意义 不知道哪位NN可以指点迷津啊 到底是读MBA还是MSTER（只要是商科方向的就行 可商科方向的MASTER多吗？以后好找工作吗）

个人背景一般：重点本科 平均分91out of100 GMAT730 以前在中国银行做INTERNSHIP 拿过很多校内校外的奖项和企业奖学金

starbird

It seems your advisor approves of MBA based on the gains and costs, whereas you prefer MSF because you don't want to waste time waiting and hope to get a job in the US afterward. You two are obviously talking about different consideration from different respects. His points don't conflict with yours.

Besides, I don't think he has put much thought or was really serious with the advice, so no need to be over-concerned about it.

Maybe he said so just because he is an MBA and very proud of it.

Although it depends on the school which you're gonna apply to and your specific nature, I don't think finding a job will be such a big problem, either as an MBA or as an MSF--maybe one is easier than the other, but certainly not decisive. So is your major.

You've got a plan, which I assume you've thought it thorough, you know exactly what you want, and even have taken the GMAT and maybe lots of other hard work. Good for you, personally I think it's a very promising beginning. Don't be confused.

Even if you want to change the plan, perhaps you need a better reason rather than a few words from someone you barely know (I presume), who even didn't try to put himself into your shoes. Right?

If you want advice, go and directly consult the schools, find out where their graduates go, or talk to your friends who are both qualified and trustworthy, or even an MSF will be better. What you think?

Good luck ^_^ ~~~

babazi

没工作经验读个Master或者MBA出来都很难找工作

ashleylee

谢谢starbird 你说的话真是非常有建树 非常wise的一个人=）我明后天会和那个YALE的见面详谈这个问题 之所以比较看中他的建议 是因为他已经35岁了走了很多的国家做了不同的工作 朋友圈子也都很牛 而且是非常扎实的一个人 所以我想他也许更能全局地看待这个问题 并且当我说这两天必须找时间和他谈谈时 他说可以搁下手头的工作来帮我 所以我觉得他并不觉得这是一个比较不重要的事情 当时我告诉他说我已经厌烦了这个地方想尽快出去 他说了两句话“america isnt any better”和“you are about to do a huge investment in ur future, do it right”,所以我就开始想这些问题。他一开始并不是很强烈地建议我读MBA，但那天考完GMAT告诉他我的成绩和背景后他开始很希望我等两年去DO一个MBA，我想他这样说应该是看到我的背景后觉得只要工作两年出去读牛校的商学院问题不大，所以就不如现在放掉一个马马虎虎的MSF。但我也知道其实investment不能和我将来的过的生活和面前要做的抉择做类比，但同时却不知道到底什么是好的。现在觉得很迷茫，但心底还是非常倾向出去的，至于出去后读什么专业又开始摇摆。一开始真的很想读MSF，但昨天和一个朋友讨论了一下觉得这个专业真是有点高不成低不就，难怪CD上有些人说他的就业率很差。昨晚和朋友的谈话后我觉得现在我首要要考虑的就是在美国读书后毕业后的第一年能不能找到一份工作，而不是我到底喜欢读什么或者以后想做什么的问题。如果这样想是正确的话，恐怕读accounting是一个很好的选择，但由于以前学过很多这个专业的课真是非常不喜欢这个专业，又有些不情愿去申这个。同时，如果真要为做咨询准备的话，是应该学marketing或strategy这样的东西，但我以前从没有想过这个问题也没有关注过这些专业，也不知道这些专业毕业后的前景。其实说来说去，我比较近期的目标就是想读完之后留在那里，无论选什么专业都是围绕这一个目的，而我远期的职业规划又很明确，就是做咨询工作。现在觉得信息很不充足，不知道我说到的上面关于就业和专业的问题在美国到底是个什么情况。我知道现在已经很晚了，第一轮申请都要结束了可我还在犹豫这些问题是很不应该的，我总是把一切都推到最后一分钟做。。。但还是觉得要一步步来，想好一步走一步，毕竟不是为了出去扔钱或读个文凭就回来的。所以现在心里也很焦急，希望能听到更多的建议。不胜感激

starbird

Glad I can help, ^_^

I have to admit that all the thing you mentioned in the last post is true--the American guy's opinion about MBA, your friends' idea about accounting.

Now, the good thing is you have figured out the pros and cons for each alternative. And now, what you need to do is to make it clear what is the most important to you. All these are big pictures and general ideas, and you are the only one who can consider these with your own specific situation and expectation and make the final decision.

It sounds that the first priority to you is getting a job in the US in the future, and it is the main reason that makes you worried and confused.

If you are afraid that MSF is not good enough for you to get a job, of course I can't promise you anything, but I can tell you I am very positive about this. You are a senior in college, and you must have heard what they say about the employment situation this year, and certainly you know exactly how the situation really is. It's the same as you heard about MSF. Admittedly, MBA or accounting means more opportunity, but MSF is not a dead-end, and most important, it suits your current goal. eople exaggerate and can be emotional. I'm sorry I can't offer you any concrete figures either, but what I heard of MSF is not that bad. Consulting? An engineer can make it, why an MSF can't?

In my view, if you decide that your goal is working a couple of years in the US and you want it as soon as possible, then MSF works for you. However, for your future and your career, I think that to have some working experience first is more advisable--not only for MBA. I see some brilliant quality and potential in you, and maybe your future should be more than what you want now. Although I agree that "America isn't any better," I don't see life as an investment case, which can be measured by money, time, or career success, and "must do it right." In fact, I don't think anyone can tell whether you do it right or not. Without surprise and exciting, life is exactly an accounting job, which you are not interested in, isn't it? Life is not something can be or should be carefully planned.

If you find it really hard to make a decision, maybe just because MBA or MSF doesn't actually make much difference for you (which is exactly what I think), the one has more advantage here must have more disadvantage there, so choose the approach which you think you will most enjoy in. After all, what important is not the academic degree, but what you will become as a unique person (or rather a happy person, I wish, ^_^) in a couple of years. So don't worry too much.

Good luck ~ ~

ashleylee

hey really appreciate ur help. i've sent u a CD messege. check it out

starbird

Sorry, didn't get it. My browser isn't very friendly with pop-ups, like a Bermuda.

So please send another one, or post here directly, which would be safer...

ludongbin

以下是引用ashleylee在2007-10-30 20:00:00的发言：

各位NN 我现在是一名大四的学生 之前我一直想去商学院中的FINANCE方向读个MSF 但看到CD上说这个专业毕业后在美国不好找工作 但我去美国的目的就是想找个工作然后尽量留在那里 前两天一个YALE的MBA美国人劝我在国内工作两年然后去读MBA 因为他觉得MSF学不到东西 而且是个高投入低产出的活 可我个人非常想明年就出去 而且我以后想做咨询工作 这个美国人说既然你想做这个 那么不应该再读FINANCE 而是应该读GENERAL MANAGEMENT 我现在很迷茫 其实我读一个市场营销之类的MASTER也可以 只是好想尽快出去见一见 而且真的想在那里工作几年 否则找不到花那么多钱出去对我的意义 不知道哪位NN可以指点迷津啊 到底是读MBA还是MSTER（只要是商科方向的就行 可商科方向的MASTER多吗？以后好找工作吗）

个人背景一般：重点本科 平均分91out of100 GMAT730 以前在中国银行做INTERNSHIP 拿过很多校内校外的奖项和企业奖学金

MSF graduate goes to wall street as quant people, this program is like the whale on the beach. Too many chinese in US are switching into this program, but the employer side is laying experienced people off

None of the master program in business school ranks high in the easy-to-find-a-job program list, except MBA

ashleylee

thx for ur advice!

ashleylee

hey i wrote something about my idea of my future to u and i dont think its proper to post it here, and its too much to send by the CD message, so i ask ed for ur email yesterday~do u mind giving me ur address? u can post it here or send me message. thx a lot!