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听说今年美国很多名牌学校学生都找不到intern!!

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发表于 2007-7-22 23:04:00 | 只看该作者

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=39&replyid=2445327&id=259881&page=1&skin=0&Star=1

不知道楼主是不是看了这一篇以后写的这片帖子?

我觉得反驳楼主的观点和事实例证是很好的,不过任何各种性质的变相的人身攻击是不必要的

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发表于 2007-7-23 05:52:00 | 只看该作者
intern 和H1B Visa 没有关系。 做intern 用CPT 就可以了。以我为例:graduate student, computer engineering at 中部一4, 50 名的学校。 05/2006 - 12/2006 整了7个月的 intern@IBM.用的是 Full Time CPT (Curriculum Practice Term). 只要该Full Time CPT <365 天。 不会影响OPT.
我也准备申请 2008 MBA, 但是不会因为LZ 的消息罢手。  

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-7-23 09:47:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用siwfly在2007-7-22 23:04:00的发言:

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=39&replyid=2445327&id=259881&page=1&skin=0&Star=1

不知道楼主是不是看了这一篇以后写的这片帖子?

我觉得反驳楼主的观点和事实例证是很好的,不过任何各种性质的变相的人身攻击是不必要的

Yes, siwfly, as I have mentioned, the job market deteriorated quickly for international students especially including victims like Chinese students. I may not cite enough evidences in my first post, but after several round debates, wise people would figure out my sources are sound and concrete, such as H1B exigency, Duke dropout, downward US economy etc....

I can't help but burst into laugh when someone use GMAT writing model to refute my argument. You may attain a high score in GMAT with this, but it won't bring any help to the tough life out of school.

Be ready or be screwed. 

(Btw, I respect Kellogg fully as well as Harvard and I never use it as a bad example. Please show me my previous posts when you blame my old comments groundlessly. And remember when you rush into personal attack, you’ve already degraded yourself several tiers below me, LOL)

Plus: I knew someone here would fight against me simply because there are some profit-driven organizations behind who don't want to see any negative impact to the number of Chinese applicants to internatinal schools.


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发表于 2007-7-23 10:52:00 | 只看该作者
h1b跟找不到INTERN没有直接关系吧?我就知道几个WHARTON MBA几年在北京上海的PE/HEDGE FUNDS实习,这完全跟H1B无关。还有几个HVB, STANFORD MBA几年也在我们这实习。每个人追求不一样,在国内实习也不见得不如美国。我们也想尝试在清华招,但背景的确一般。所以LZ讲的这些都没有意义。
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发表于 2007-7-23 11:16:00 | 只看该作者
natashaa,
That GMAT stuff was not meant to refute your argu. In fact, it was just a reminder - if you are gonna touch some controversial topics, insufficient evidences or some doggy "ting shuo" stuffs will bound to attrack tons of dirty water like this. The modle will not guarantee our lives out of school, but the idea is essential to the MBA occupations - I assume, since I am not a insider yet.

Say if you or somebody else have smiled( I will prefer this one, hehe) at what I posted, that's it.

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发表于 2007-7-23 12:22:00 | 只看该作者
其实今年Intern还是挺好找的,只要你不要去挤那几个一向难进的地方(Investment Management, PE/VC, Hedge Fund), 要进个大公司作实习,机会多了去了。我就拒绝过一个大公司的offer... 反而是回国去实习对俺们这些在美国作过几年的人难度大多了,虽然俺的第一愿望是在北京作实习,现在只好呆在美国作了,郁闷呀...

现在大家的行情是回香港,回中国实习或工作,实在不行了,日本也行。所以H1-B名额限制的麻烦根本不是问题,要想待在美国这当然是个问题,不过现在大陆来念MBA的又有多少想呆的呢,连很多在美国作了好几年的都往亚洲跑 -- Chasing Opportunities...
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发表于 2007-7-23 12:38:00 | 只看该作者

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发表于 2007-7-24 01:36:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用cfc在2007-7-22 6:32:00的发言:

难得周末闲来无事,再来聊几句对楼主的看法。

从这个帖子的演进来看,我觉得楼主还是很聪明的,很善于吸收新知识并为我所用,而且对大众心理学颇有心得。比如说首贴其实没什么内容,也就是随便煽风点火来那么两句。后来有人提到了MK出身的毕业生可以回原单位,楼主立刻加以利用,引申出有些人是company sponsor,不用担心工作什么的。其实明眼人一看就知道这是两码事,楼主是不懂装懂,但用来唬老百姓,忽悠不知道其中区别的人还是可以的。这样一来,本来没有任何实质内容的一句牢骚话就变得有板有眼,真象那么回事了,而楼主自己也可以借此表现得自己言之有物,博取听众的信任,还顺带长了些知识。这买卖做得确实合算。后来又有人提出H1名额紧张的事情,楼主再次顺杆儿往上爬,为自己博取信任度的同时手里又多了些货色。其实楼主自己根本就没说出什么道道来,很可能就是什么都不知道,后来那些貌似振振有词的论据都是从别人那儿拿来的,而且明眼人一看就知道都是似是而非的,但真正了解情况的人很少,所以往往能够凑效。

以楼主的才华而论,似乎有点生不逢时。要是在文化大革命那阵儿,楼主至少也能混个造反派小头头,要是放在六四那会儿,弄不好就没有吾而开希,柴玲这些人的份了。估计楼主自视甚高,眼看着那些水平比自己差的同学们一个个进了美国top MBA program,胸中有股不平之气,所以要到这儿来冷言冷语两句,弄好了制造点混乱,恐慌,大不了就是没人接茬,也没什么损失。

我劝楼主放下怀才不遇的心态,不要把心思都放在耍这些小聪明上,而是认真衡量一下自己,规划一下自己的职业道路,踏踏实实干些事情。以你的智商和情商,完全有能力比绝大多数美国top MBA的毕业生走得更远。

还是大哥厉害,一眼看出某些人的险恶用心。我刚刚顺便差了一下,这个人是中欧的。

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发表于 2007-7-24 02:33:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用FSUST在2007-7-24 1:36:00的发言:

还是大哥厉害,一眼看出某些人的险恶用心。我刚刚顺便差了一下,这个人是中欧的。

就事论事吧,别把人家出身牵扯上

每个人上翻五代,还不知道什么出身呢,就新中国那点历史那点事,谁又比谁根正苗红多少?

共勉!

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发表于 2007-7-24 05:40:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用natashaa在2007-7-23 9:47:00的发言:

Yes, siwfly, as I have mentioned, the job market deteriorated quickly for international students especially including victims like Chinese students. I may not cite enough evidences in my first post, but after several round debates, wise people would figure out my sources are sound and concrete, such as H1B exigency, Duke dropout, downward US economy etc....

I can't help but burst into laugh when someone use GMAT writing model to refute my argument. You may attain a high score in GMAT with this, but it won't bring any help to the tough life out of school.

Be ready or be screwed. 

(Btw, I respect Kellogg fully as well as Harvard and I never use it as a bad example. Please show me my previous posts when you blame my old comments groundlessly. And remember when you rush into personal attack, you’ve already degraded yourself several tiers below me, LOL)

Plus: I knew someone here would fight against me simply because there are some profit-driven organizations behind who don't want to see any negative impact to the number of Chinese applicants to internatinal schools.


haha...do you think how your so-called hearsay would deter those determined applicants? and profit-driven organizations? i would say you have such an imagination...

do you know why your post elicit so many objections? it is totally fine for you to say something negative about the US business schools, but before doing so, please at least prepare some evidence to support yourself. it is funny that you actually include some school names in your first post, but how many students you know from these schools? if you dont have job placement statistics and dont know anybody from the schools you mentioned, please dont take some unfounded gossips as facts and distribute them in public forum. well, you do have freedom to do so, but others also have freedom to dispute you....from your posts, i am pretty certain that you have never been living in the states for a block of time, and you dont even have friends who are studying at top schools in the states. at least from my friend circle, i never heard of any person who is determined to find a job in the states ending up with nothing, even if in the much tougher job market a few years ago. how many data points i have? half of my college class is now in the states, and i have tons of former colleagues and friends who attended or are in the mba programs. you figure it out.

and you know what, even more and more people dont want to stay in the states after graduation. at least most of my friends who are in the top 5 schools plan to go back to asia some point in the future.

i dont want to guess your motivation to distribute the rumor, but i feel hilarious to read your posts because more ridiculous they are, more amused i am. i admit i have been too bored recently and actually read your funny comments and even spend time replying. but i mercy you that your rumor would serve nothing other than entertaining purpose. if you feel mentally fulfilled to badmouth people who find better jobs than you, you go ahead. if you want to keep your peers from applying to the u.s. business schools, you will be disappointed. i.e. those people who are so easily detered from chasing their dreams are not suitable for an mba.

by the way, if you change your wording a bit, i would say you are then much more reasonable. you should say top mba cannot solve everything. it is not like you have an mba then your future will become undoubtfully rosy. it is not the case. most of the mba graduates have to face the reality that they are still in the bottom of the company hierarchy. an mba might open many doors for them, but how high and further they can progress still depends on their determination, patience, and luck.

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