OG 80, help!

jnlvo

总结的不错

rt316

Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A)  that flourished at the same time as the civilizations

(B)  that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations

(C)  that flourished at the same time those had

(D)  flourishing at the same time as those did

(E)  flourishing at the same time as those were

Choice A, the best answer, uses the simple past tense flourished to describe civilizations existing simultaneously in the past. Choice B wrongly uses the past perfect had flourished; past perfect tense indicates action that was completed prior to some other event described in the simple past tense: for example, "Mayan civilization had ceased to exist by the time Europeans first reached the Americas." Choice C lacks as after time. In choices C, D, and E, the plural pronoun those has no plural noun to which it can refer. In C, had signals the incorrect past perfect; did in D and were in E are awkward and unnecessary. D and E also incorrectly use the present participle flourishing where that flourished is needed.

OG说did in D is unnecessary，但是我觉得A好像应该在the civilizations前或后补出动词did，毕竟比较的是文明间flourished的时间，比较对象不仅有主语，还应该包括谓语。

谢谢

michaelQiangX

I have the same question.  I think chioce A)  should be :

A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations (did)

pls help!

wildwind

当谓语内容一致,比较两个主语的时候, 要尽量补出谓语动词, 偶尔也有不补出谓语动词的情况.

什么时候可以不用补出?

不发生歧义的时候.

很遗憾, 我给不出例子...

想说的一点是: 做题时, 把握ETS的大方向: 逻辑意思, 清晰, 简洁准确

我的经验: 如果碰到类似此题很少见的情况, 告诉自己, OK, 这样的结构ETS也是承认的. 当然不是说放弃深究, 而是辩证的观点...

mumuwa

以下是引用wildwind在2004-5-22 21:09:00的发言：

想说的一点是: 做题时, 把握ETS的大方向: 逻辑意思, 清晰, 简洁准确

我的经验: 如果碰到类似此题很少见的情况, 告诉自己, OK, 这样的结构ETS也是承认的. 当然不是说放弃深究, 而是辩证的观点...

我也有同样的问题，楼上给的这个是最好的解释吗？有没人有其他的说法？ETS号称是最严谨的了，怎么可以想省就省，不想的时候还要乱棍打死。说awkward and unnecessary？至少应该中庸一下嘛，说"可有无什么"的，我总怀疑有其他的解释，好像自己在钻牛角尖啊。。。

mumuwa

以下是引用ca3ltoys在2004-1-9 7:13:00的发言：
I got confused with the tense here, can I  understand this way? past perfect tense means the events have lasted a period of time before, and past tense means the events happened right on an exact point of time before?

其实严格的讲，这个题考点不是时态，而是修饰语的问题，从句和现在分词哪个作定语的问题，以白勇为代表的XDF是这么给出这类问题的规律的：

“-ING分词短语作定语：强调动作的多次性、重复性、客观性，无明确的时间概念；

     定语从句作：强调动作的一次性，强调具体时间，具体行为。”

                                                        ———摘自《GMAT语法全解》（白勇）103页

大家用这个再分析分析小彩同学总结的这类句子，看看是不是这个理？

OG1. a divorce that occurred when they were children...离婚是一次性，非反复发生的

OG80.an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as..强调发生的具体时间
OG102.a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911...同上，有具体时间状语

OG199,a quake of comparable magnitude occurring in the west...客观描述、无具体概念
OG113.Visitors have often seen monkeys sleeping on the branches...OFTEN表示重复性，非一次发生

好像这么解释还说得过去，是8？那就要注意从句子的逻辑意思和句中的时间标志或频率副词来判断了。

flywood

我仔细想了一下,觉得不补助动词是有道理的,按我的理解,助动词的补出是EFFECTIVE的错误,在这里如果补出DID代入原文会发现在the civilizations did in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.割裂了中心词和修饰词造成歧义.请NN看看我的想法对吗?

passion2win

我的理解是在不发生歧义的情况下，不补除助动词也是对的

mmmwww

以下是引用m163z在2003-12-23 0:54:00的发言：
在og中讲的是those无无指代对象是说在比较中，前面的的对象是an ancient civilization ，是一个单数，而those是复数，因此它不能代替前面的“文明”。如果换成that就对了！   
不用flourishing 的原因是这个动作早已结束，用正在进行时不对！

我觉得用that也不正确啊!因为Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates的文明是两个，用that数量就不对了。请NN指点。

mmmwww

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