燕雀鸿鹄各有志, 长江放眼大风流

davidli8888

以下是引用seanbb在2007-4-12 11:11:00的发言：

May I say that signifies lack of confidence on part of CK? If CK cannot turn out the best MBAs in terms of career success and pay hike for international students, how can it aspire to be top 10 in the near future? If Chinese MBAs are doomed to get less pay to get an equal position, can we call the discrimination?

如果CKorCEIBS的学生都可以拿global pay，那为何要去美国或者欧洲读MBA呢？国内商学院的学费和生活费大概只有欧美的1/4或者1/5。

MBA是投资，投的少当然收的少了。

Can I interprete either of the two schools can or want to be a top bschool?

Of course, smart people get rich out of negligible investment. And I do believe applicants to CK want to see that happen.

foever

Dear Davidli8888, you get the point. But even more importantly, what could you contribute to the school? Not only the school can provide you. Looking backward, when we chose CK, who is young and not that perfect, but we did not complain too much and like to develop with her. Actually, our career developments are still good. At least, you can see the some over 1million RMB package. What you mentioned mostly are hard sides. But in the long run, the soft sides are even more important, which CK cares about more.

 

I agree the points of prof. Zheng Yusheng, who is from Wharton and is in charge of MBA program of CK, that business school teaches you how to be a person! Hard skills and advanced facilities could be easily acquired whether you study a MBA.

 

Meanwhile, what a person you could be and how successful you will be is not a business school could do, even Harvard and Wharton could not. The role of school usually can play one third and it is only one point of your life. The most important is yourself! Who you are and what a person you want to be? MBA is a platform not ever thing.

mba3000

以下是引用davidli8888在2007-4-12 9:44:00的发言：

The point I want to make is, put you in the shoes of top applicants, imagine what challenges they have when they have to come up with a short-listed bschools for action/application, and figure out what they have gone through to make that decision. I believe ranking plays an important role here: no many applicants are experts in MBA education, and they believe the quality of an MBA program just because of the ranking place. Please remember, a lot of nice, decent programs are in it, and they want to see their would-be programs are among them.

What I am talking about is marketing, and the resultant quality of student body. Each MBA program is unique, and meanwhile it share sth in common with others. That is why they share one common name -bschool. If the top quality appilcants cannot understand the logic CK believes in, CK may find hard to be among ranks in top bschools.

In this sense, raking is the cost any bschool has to pay. In fact, I do not believe CK cannot make a perfect balance between high quality of education and marketing. That is real problem? ???????

I believe that high quality MBA applicants with independent thinking will not use ranking as an important indicator if they get the chance to go to info sessions, talk to alums and check information about faculty, curriculumn, and placement. The success of the MBA graduates from CK is a stronger indicator than ranking. It also suggests that right now CK is attracting top quality applicants in China.

International students may put more weight on ranking, as their information source is limited. That may explain why the proportion of international students at CK is about 15% (including Asian students from Korea, Singapore, Japan). The proportion of European and American students is even less.

I also hope that CK will attract more international students in the future. I suppose that CK is working in this direction.

tingyun

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tingyun

以今年FT的情况来看，长江如果今年参加排名，估计应该也是20名以内吧，哈

foever

从国际学生比例讲，长江前两届也就5%的样子，最近两届将近20%，一来,而且交换比例从10%到50%都是国际化的重大进步，国际交流也越来越多，国际化有不同形式，国际学生比例只是一种。

seanbb

That may explain why the proportion of international students at CK is about 15% (including Asian students from Korea, Singapore, Japan). The proportion of European and American students is even less.

韩国，新加坡，日本学生难道就不算外国学生？难道就欧美的老白算外籍？

davidli8888

Dear foever, I completely agree with you on the contribution an MBA program to the long-term carrer success of a person. Some people say, MBA can make gold shining and cannot turn a stone into a gold.

It is another question about how a student can contribute to the community, making it better for all of the students. What we are talking about is what kind of experience we can expect of an MBA program, an experience that is valuable for us to make a long-term career success eventually. And I believe it matters because it will affect the position of CK as a top MBA program, international one.

davidli8888

以下是引用tingyun在2007-4-12 11:30:00的发言：

以今年FT的情况来看，长江如果今年参加排名，估计应该也是20名以内吧，哈

glad to hear that. please show us. And believe applicants love to see that happen.

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davidli8888

以下是引用foever在2007-4-12 11:32:00的发言：

从国际学生比例讲，长江前两届也就5%的样子，最近两届将近20%，一来,而且交换比例从10%到50%都是国际化的重大进步，国际交流也越来越多，国际化有不同形式，国际学生比例只是一种。

That is positive trend. I just share my belief in what constitutes a top and international bschool, and what matters for people like me who have a vision for successful career in a truly international and cross-cultural environment, competing with smart guys from top 20 bschools in USA.