[讨论] UNC vs Vanderbilt with Scholarship?

small_head

Both are good, then I still have to choose one. But in this game, money puts on some weight.

wenzhang

以下是引用高兴在2007-3-7 2:52:00的发言：
第二个原因，Owen alum are terrific. 当我在Vandy和UNC之间左右为难时，Owen alum gave me a nice push on my decision. 他们通过各种方式为我提供信息，帮我联系教授来解答关于学业方面的问题，联系海内外的相关校友来解答我的关于就业方面的问题，这些都给我留下了深刻的印象。相比之下，UNC给我的印象是比较arrogant, 有点“你来不来无所谓“的意味。当然这个可能只是我个人的经历，but small things really make a difference.

Owen alum 的热心肠不光是体现在对prospective students上, 更重要的是对在校同学找工作的帮助方面。在我的summer internship job search中，我受到了众多校友，包括在Apple, FedEx, Heinz等等知名公司工作的校友的热情相助。因为Owen student body相对较小，所以同学和同学之间，以及同学和校友之间联系比起大规模的学校要来的紧密得多。

哇，姐姐，你有没有良心的，我当初可是热情地和你联系，听说你来上海出差，特地从苏州跑去上海和你吃饭。你来unc,我因为study group没见到你，但我们中国同学倾巢而出和你聚餐。  crystal 拿到dell 的offer 去austin 参观，也特地订了个双人房邀你同往，我们全体unc的中国同学都没把你外人看。

wenzhang

以下是引用高兴在2007-3-7 3:21:00的发言：
总结一下，UNC and Vandy are both good schools. 可以说Vandy 把学生引进了和UNC同样的门槛里，但最后成功是靠校友，更靠个人。

究竟应该选择哪一所学校，没有一个绝对正确的答案。综合考虑cost and benefit，想清楚自己想要的是什么再做决定。

确实，不过以我个人找工作的经验而谈，UNC的校友实在让我感动，我进了UNC后被各行各业的机会所迷惑 （IB,CONSULTING,MARKETING,FINANCE,INVESTMENT)，很晚才决定自己真正想干什么（PRIVATE WEALTH MANAGEMENT)，我是在各大IB的把intern的offer发完后，才开始找相关的intern,我得到了unc在各大IB的帮助，包括morgan stanley, goldman sachs, citibank, bank of america......, 但因为其中七个在merrill lynch的校友打电话给我，最终帮我拿到了一个面试机会。虽然我不一定能进merrill lynch，但我当初选择UNC（没奖）而放弃其他有奖的学校实在是太值了,the alumni network of unc will benefit you all your life!

wenzhang

以下是引用wenzhang在2007-3-15 14:03:00的发言：

确实，不过以我个人找工作的经验而谈，UNC的校友实在让我感动，我进了UNC后被各行各业的机会所迷惑 （IB,CONSULTING,MARKETING,FINANCE,INVESTMENT)，很晚才决定自己真正想干什么（PRIVATE WEALTH MANAGEMENT)，我是在各大IB的把intern的offer发完后，才开始找相关的intern,我得到了unc在各大IB的帮助，包括morgan stanley, goldman sachs, citibank, bank of america......, 但因为实在是太晚了，很多校友最后的努力都没有结果，其中七个在merrill lynch的校友打电话给我，最终帮我拿到了一个面试机会。虽然我不一定能进merrill lynch，但我当初选择UNC（没奖）而放弃其他有奖的学校实在是太值了,the alumni network of unc will benefit you all your life!

确实，不过以我个人找工作的经验而谈，UNC的校友实在让我感动，我进了UNC后被各行各业的机会所迷惑 （IB,CONSULTING,MARKETING,FINANCE,INVESTMENT)，很晚才决定自己真正想干什么（PRIVATE WEALTH MANAGEMENT)，我是在各大IB的把intern的offer发完后，才开始找相关的intern,我得到了unc在各大IB的帮助，包括morgan stanley, goldman sachs, citibank, bank of america......, 但因为实在是太晚了，很多校友最后的努力都没有结果，其中七个在merrill lynch的校友打电话给我，帮我争取面试机会。有6个失败了，但最终有一个成功帮我拿到了一个面试机会，直接和亚太区的MANAGING DIRECTOR面试。虽然我不一定能进merrill lynch，但我当初选择UNC（没奖）而放弃其他有奖的学校实在是太值了,the alumni network of unc will benefit you all your life!

wenzhang

以下是引用small_head在2007-3-15 13:37:00的发言：

ls talk to 高兴？

抱歉，很久没来发贴了，搞得颠三倒四的。

small_head

以下是引用wenzhang在2007-3-15 14:08:00的发言：

确实，不过以我个人找工作的经验而谈，UNC的校友实在让我感动，我进了UNC后被各行各业的机会所迷惑 （IB,CONSULTING,MARKETING,FINANCE,INVESTMENT)，很晚才决定自己真正想干什么（PRIVATE WEALTH MANAGEMENT)，我是在各大IB的把intern的offer发完后，才开始找相关的intern,我得到了unc在各大IB的帮助，包括morgan stanley, goldman sachs, citibank, bank of america......, 但因为实在是太晚了，很多校友最后的努力都没有结果，其中七个在merrill lynch的校友打电话给我，帮我争取面试机会。有6个失败了，但最终有一个成功帮我拿到了一个面试机会，直接和亚太区的MANAGING DIRECTOR面试。虽然我不一定能进merrill lynch，但我当初选择UNC（没奖）而放弃其他有奖的学校实在是太值了,the alumni network of unc will benefit you all your life!

Very impressive! I am impressed by the influence of b-school alumni.

muzikfantasy

找个硬币翻一下吧

wenzhang

以下是引用bettywushh在2007-3-6 18:40:00的发言：

small-head,

suggest you to contact 高兴 who is currently Vanderbilt student. she has been to UNC and met Chinese students there for a project, together with other students from the TOP schools. She said no Chinese students in UNC had got internship yet while several of the Vanderbilt Chinese students got more than one internship offer. I don't mean UNC is not good, but it is more up to the individual.

高兴 can provide you a lot of helpful information. She is super nice. She was admitted by UNC, too. You may want to know why she chose Vanderbilt over UNC and how she felt now from her trip to UNC.

I hope the above information is helpful. It is up to you on your decision.

congratulations to vanderbilt student. As far as I know, 高兴 got offers mostly from off-campus search and she started pretty earlier. UNC attracted many on-compus opportunities, so we did not do it. I began off-campus research just recently. by the way, 3 out 5 chinese student got US offers from citigroup, dell and polypore respectively. One canadian chinese got offer from investment banking. I am still working on private wealth management divison in investment bank, just passed the first round interview with merrill lynch. another chinese student is looking for opportunities in real estate, usually US companies do not recruit international students. but because one of UNC's strength in real estate, he got several interviews under process, and ususally real estate firms recruit pretty late.

wenzhang

以下是引用small_head在2007-3-15 14:54:00的发言：

Very impressive! I am impressed by the influence of b-school alumni.

yes, it is just like the situation that you want to apply for the top schools after they have all announced their offers. You are told "sorry, no opportunities" as expected,  you know it is something impossible, but one day one alumnus tell you "I managed to land an application opportunity for you." How do you feel?

wenzhang

以下是引用small_head在2007-3-15 13:44:00的发言：

Both are good, then I still have to choose one. But in this game, money puts on some weight.

hi, As I have emphasized in our discussion, alumni network is one of the most important factors when you value a business school. and when you evaluate the network, you need to consider two factors: the willingness of the alumni to help you and the capability of them to help you. My experience is that UNC alumni are both willing and able to help you. Another example is one alumnus from credit suissee (VP) is already 62 years old, although his schedule is heavily engaged, although we did not know each other,  he helped me to submit resume to HR and mocked interviews with me twice. he was aware it was very likely that he was wasting time because I missed the deadline, he still did so because he got an email from a UNC MBA - me.  I do not konw about other b-schools, so do you research and make your decision. good luck!