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希望得到指点:成绩不高,可以申请美国什么学校?

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发表于 2006-8-25 20:26:00 | 只看该作者

repeat.


[此贴子已经被作者于2006-8-25 20:30:37编辑过]
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-26 02:38:00 | 只看该作者

昨晚在外面,不能输入中文。今天上午和一个MBA毕业生聊天,她是我的一个老朋友,是美国长大的top5的MBA,她自己却不以为然,现在一家中等公司做管理,很成功,也很快乐。之后,我想再写几点给大家作参考。

说不想辩论,是因为,我的目的是为了大家客观的对待申请,读书和工作。毕竟我比那些学校里的学生,还是多些社会经验,想让大家少走些弯路。当然各方面都非常出色的人,就没有权衡的必要,但这样的人在哪里都是少数人群。


误区一:
不停的考gmat,认为有高分就有了入好学校的资本。

--这样不仅浪费时间浪费钱,不如做实际的事情增长经验和本事。那才是你将来发展的基础。


误区二:
一个名牌MBA等于高能力,就业就有了金饭碗。

--肯定没有一个学校可以保证就业,毕竟人的个人能力不同。也就是说,就业的时候,是自己找工作的。

误区三:
比学校,比名牌,按分数或学校的排名,作为评判一个人的标准。

学校只能代表学校,牛校的gmat要求成绩高,那是因为申请的人多,抬高的。辩证的角度看,那被抬高的应该不只是gmat成绩,还有工作背景和能力等,也不代表他们认为只有高分才是人才。

误区四:
背景只有大公司,外企,学校才喜欢。

很多有成就的人,都是小公司做起来的。如果大家在北美待过,就会发现,这里的公司工作结构特别清晰,也就是说,你没有太多的空间,可以发挥你的能力,你只不过是一个流水线的环节,做好那一点事情就完了,管理也如此。大公司只能说更加。也就是说,你在大公司兴风作浪的机会几乎没有,中国人在外资的企业里做到很高,有很大空间的人是很少数,还得说一点,大部分中国人好像也比较容易满足。


只希望大家不要那么事事绝对。我备考之前,认为没什么大不了,考了才知道,不是那么简单的。那么多高分在论坛上,大家用gmat CR的逻辑分析一下,也可以明白它的实际意义。我考完试出来就想再考,因为我觉得我可以考到多少多少分的。后来觉得,没有太多必要靠一个考试来证明自己的能力。人家招生的人都不认为那是绝对,我们自己那么紧张干吗。

另外,我对part-time学习,和离开学校多年的大龄考生,说句心里话。人的精力是平衡的,有得必有失,有失必有得。我想这也是,入学时候,人家看到你的经验出色,同时会对你的成绩宽容的原因。能考个好成绩就尽量考,考不好也不能说明什么,别给自己定性。生活有更多它本来的东西,对自己好一点。


[此贴子已经被作者于2006-8-26 3:08:34编辑过]
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发表于 2006-8-26 05:49:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用tiandaochouqin在2006-8-26 2:38:00的发言:

昨晚在外面,不能输入中文。今天上午和一个MBA毕业生聊天,她是我的一个老朋友,是美国长大的top5的MBA,她自己却不以为然,现在一家中等公司做管理,很成功,也很快乐。之后,我想再写几点给大家作参考。(这样人很多,每年毕业好几千快上万了呢)

说不想辩论,(讨论才能出真谛么)是因为,我的目的是为了大家客观的对待申请,读书和工作。毕竟我比那些学校里的学生,还是多些社会经验,想让大家少走些弯路。当然各方面都非常出色的人,就没有权衡的必要,但这样的人在哪里都是少数人群。


误区一:
不停的考gmat,认为有高分就有了入好学校的资本。

--这样不仅浪费时间浪费钱,不如做实际的事情增长经验和本事。那才是你将来发展的基础。

不停考GMAT的人都是想进TOP10 B-School的人。


误区二:
一个名牌MBA等于高能力,就业就有了金饭碗。

--肯定没有一个学校可以保证就业,毕竟人的个人能力不同。也就是说,就业的时候,是自己找工作的。

误区三:
比学校,比名牌,按分数或学校的排名,作为评判一个人的标准。

学校只能代表学校,牛校的gmat要求成绩高,那是因为申请的人多,抬高的。辩证的角度看,那被抬高的应该不只是gmat成绩,还有工作背景和能力等,也不代表他们认为只有高分才是人才。

对于其他行业可能排名不是最重要。看了一些资料显示,MBA还是Top10的比较热门,因为Top10的学校入学已经进行了一次严格的筛选,所以很多公司相信学校的眼光。而且Top10的入学不光看成绩的,还看个人的思维方式和发展趋势,所以要写essay和面试。TOP10和TOP30的起薪可以相差一倍。

误区四:
背景只有大公司,外企,学校才喜欢。

很多有成就的人,都是小公司做起来的。如果大家在北美待过,就会发现,这里的公司工作结构特别清晰,也就是说,你没有太多的空间,可以发挥你的能力,你只不过是一个流水线的环节,做好那一点事情就完了,管理也如此。大公司只能说更加。也就是说,你在大公司兴风作浪的机会几乎没有,中国人在外资的企业里做到很高,有很大空间的人是很少数,还得说一点,大部分中国人好像也比较容易满足。


只希望大家不要那么事事绝对。我备考之前,认为没什么大不了,考了才知道,不是那么简单的。那么多高分在论坛上,大家用gmat CR的逻辑分析一下,也可以明白它的实际意义。我考完试出来就想再考,因为我觉得我可以考到多少多少分的。后来觉得,没有太多必要靠一个考试来证明自己的能力。人家招生的人都不认为那是绝对,我们自己那么紧张干吗。

我觉得你完全有必要拿成绩去试试看,写几篇出人头地Essay,好好面试,试试自己的运气么,给我们做个榜样也行啊。

另外,我对part-time学习,和离开学校多年的大龄考生,说句心里话。人的精力是平衡的,有得必有失,有失必有得。我想这也是,入学时候,人家看到你的经验出色,同时会对你的成绩宽容的原因。能考个好成绩就尽量考,考不好也不能说明什么,别给自己定性。生活有更多它本来的东西,对自己好一点。


每个人的追求都不同,你不妨在这里多看看文章。

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发表于 2006-8-30 05:19:00 | 只看该作者


G的分数太重要了;除非你以前经历超强,例如FORTUNE500大中华区的CEO之类,不然TOP SCHOOL还是别想了!各人意见而已!

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发表于 2006-8-30 06:06:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用tiandaochouqin在2006-8-25 10:12:00的发言:

I don't want to argue with you. I just want to say sth. objectively.

It seems all the people here are very concerned their gmat scores. It is weird. (it's not weird. Many people here just want to be perfection).

Not all the people with higher gmat scores have strong knowledge and skills. This is a fact not an opinion. (that's true, but vice versa).  I was told by a person who makes the judgement in applications that he doesn't like some students with 700+ but have very bad performance in the class, and this is a very common thing happened today. ( As I said, it doesn't mean a high G score will lead to poor performance in class. There's no corelation here.) Gmat is just a test that cannot fairly show whether a person has enough skills. Take an example in my current class, a person who has a mark lower than 550, but that is the best student in the whole class. (that's possible. But it shouldn't be a good example to encourage everyone here not to treat GMAT seriously. )

Some people in this forum have a tendency to get a mark as high as possible. In my opinion, this is not wise. You can use this time and energy to do some meaningful jobs and make a lot progresses there. (To a certain amount of people here, getting a high score in GMAT doesn't really cost them that much time and energy.) MBA is just a study, not a guarantee for getting a better job. When graduating, people who get a better job are always the one who have strong working background BEFORE they start MBA.

I know here are a lot of gmat taker are still students in Universities. They do not know how much important the working experience is and how important the communicative skills are.

For me, I want to study in US because my family is there. If I study in Canada, I won't have any concern about this as I am confident in applying two good schools. I want to share my experience to someone who has lower marks but has strong skills in some particular areas. (Given your background, it might be easier for you to go to and talk around in order to get into those two good schools you mentioned above, because you are in Canada. For many CDers who are still in China, it's not the best and most convenient way to get into schools in US. They want to enhance their background, including GMAT score, the easiest one to improve in a relevant short time, as much as possible. Sounds reasonable to me. )

Again, working experience is more important. (I will say that every aspect is important. If I were you, I'll try to improve all that I can, unless there's something I really can't improve. ) When I told them what I did in the past years, they said I am the right person they are looking for and they expect me share my experience in their classes.

So I would say, they want to know what you did rather than to see a higher mark. They were tired of seeing a person who has good mark but bad skills.They didn't say most of them were  from China, but I can feel that. ( If high G score with poor skills is one bad example, then a low G score with average w/e is the other end. I guess many people here just want to be balanced. )

One more thing, to improve your effective communication skills is very important but you don't need to be perfect because your english cannot be as good as an american's forever. So just try as much as you can.

Finally, what I want to say is that if you previously think your G score is low, then face it. What to do with the lower score, either to retake the test or to live with it, is your call. I don't agree with your opinion on undervaluing the importance of a G score, but do agree with you on the importance of w/e. When you can get both, don't lose either.

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