希望得到指点：成绩不高，可以申请美国什么学校？

tiandaochouqin

I see things differently.

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yaoyao99

WE generally means full-time work.  What did you do specifically?  What did you study before?  How's your GPA?  Hard to recommend anything based on what you provided.  And most importantly, what are your interests?

tiandaochouqin

Thank you!

I am an immi in Canada and thinking about applying for a U.S. school, not a suck one though, hehe..

I had full-time jobs in China. They were not in a huge company, but not bad though and those related with engineering and managerial work. My GPA=3.3(of 4)

I don't really care about the concentration. It can be based on my background or any general management.

The point is I don't want to take G one more time even though the verbal mark is really low. Anyway, would my G score be my weakest point and affect all the applications?

Do you have any idea about this? I appreciate it!!!

天香国猪

以下是引用tiandaochouqin在2006-8-24 13:36:00的发言：

Thank you!

I am an immi in Canada and thinking about applying for a U.S. school, not a suck one though, hehe..

I had full-time jobs in China. They were not in a huge company, but not bad though and those related with engineering and managerial work. My GPA=3.3(of 4)

I don't really care about the concentration. It can be based on my background or any general management.

The point is I don't want to take G one more time even though the verbal mark is really low. Anyway, would my G score be my weakest point and affect all the applications?

Do you have any idea about this? I appreciate it!!!

If you don't take your G again, you have no opportunity to get in a "better" MBA school. It is just way to low.

gobeyond

嗯，感觉你其他指标都算average吧。G是很低的。

进好学校MBA的话，大家的各项都比较强的，你自己衡量一下吧。

另外，感觉MBA的学生必须oral, written都很棒。这个oral好到什么程度，要和美国人比，不要和外国人比。

funnytiger

你既然自认为英语不错， 就再考一次GMAT吧， 这样你选择多， 我门也容易帮

tiandaochouqin

Thank you guys.

I think my speaking is good because I don't have problem working, studying and living in Canada. I talked to the prof.s and they said that my communication skill was far more better than the most current students.

Gmat is not that important as you think. ..This is the original sentence from a professor in the top business school in Canada.

They care about what you have in your experience and what you perform in class....have to go out, type more in the later evening to encourage more people who have not hight gmat scores.

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天香国猪

以下是引用tiandaochouqin在2006-8-25 7:07:00的发言：

Thank you guys.

I think my speaking is good because I don't have problem working, studying and living in Canada. I talked to the prof.s and they said that my communication skill was far more better than the most current students.

Gmat is not that important as you think. ..This is the original sentence from a professor in the top business school in Canada.

They care about what you have in your experience and what you perform in class....have to go out, type more in the later evening to encourage more people who have not hight gmat scores.

I don't want to discourage you. But..

Are you going to call the admission office to express your language proficiency? Your GMAT score doesn't show any.

Besides, even for an american, it is hard to get in good B-schools, only 10~20% admitted.

If someone can't do well in GMAT, how can the one do well in Class? I have never taken GMAT, but I think GMAT tests basic skills for MBA study at entry-level.

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tiandaochouqin

I don't want to argue with you. I just want to say sth. objectively.

It seems all the people here are very concerned their gmat scores. It is weird.

Not all the people with higher gmat scores have strong knowledge and skills. This is a fact not an opinion. I was told by a person who makes the judgement in applications that he doesn't like some students with 700+ but have very bad performance in the class, and this is a very common thing happened today. Gmat is just a test that cannot fairly show whether a person has enough skills. Take an example in my current class, a person who has a mark lower than 550, but that is the best student in the whole class.

Some people in this forum have a tendency to get a mark as high as possible. In my opinion, this is not wise. You can use this time and energy to do some meaningful jobs and make a lot progresses there. MBA is just a study, not a guarantee for getting a better job. When graduating, people who get a better job are always the one who have strong working background BEFORE they start MBA.

I know here are a lot of gmat taker are still students in Universities. They do not know how much important the working experience is and how important the communicative skills are.

For me, I want to study in US because my family is there. If I study in Canada, I won't have any concern about this as I am confident in applying two good schools. I want to share my experience to someone who has lower marks but has strong skills in some particular areas.

Again, working experience is more important. When I told them what I did in the past years, they said I am the right person they are looking for and they expect me share my experience in their classes.

So I would say, they want to know what you did rather than to see a higher mark. They were tired of seeing a person who has good mark but bad skills.They didn't say most of them were  from China, but I can feel that.

One more thing, to improve your effective communication skills is very important but you don't need to be perfect because your english cannot be as good as an american's forever. So just try as much as you can.

天香国猪

No offensive.

 

I would love to agree with you, since GMAT is also putting pressure on me. However, there is still no doubt that I have to get a 700+ GMAT score in order to increase my chance to get into top B-schools.

 

I don’t question your example. Nevertheless, you are looking at wrong group of people. You might want to clarify “better” between “a certain group of people” and “best B-school students”. We are not discussing a group people with GOOD SCORE and BAD SKILLS, but some with GOOD SCORE and GOOD SKILLS.

 

When you prepare for competition, you might want to look at your competitors, not a bunch of “other people” as comparison. After spending some time at CD, I found quite a lot highly intelligent and energetic young people with very impressive work experience and academic achievement.  The only reason they are after 750+ is that they try to stand out of the crowd of extraordinary people, not ordinary ones.

 

As far as communication skill is concerned, as a foreigner, the universities may want to see your TOEFL score along with GMAT. I also think that good TOEFL score doesn’t necessarily indicate good oral English. Yet, a person with a good English communication skill should get a high TOEFL score without problem. As gobeyond said, we are also competing with a group of American, whose first language is English. Therefore, let’s forget about communication proficiency. It won’t make you different from the rest of the pool.

 

I think you may be able to get into Canadian school or a so-so American school. It will be really hard for you to be admitted by good American B-school with low 600s GMAT score.

 

By the way, I wouldn’t ONLY listen to a professor’s opinion about myself. I would ask him to send me an admission letter along with scholarship, like my Ph.D. advisor did. You may want to follow up with them, since you already give them a good impression.