我觉得：除非是去美国读TOP 10的商学院，否则还真不如读国内的顶尖商学院呢

frankleizhang

以下是引用pizi在2006-4-12 14:49:00的发言：

呵呵，楼主，建议你不要中英文混杂。

市场是很复杂，很大的，否则一个产品会有很多生产商？

每个学校都有自己的特色，比如Babson的创业，新国大的房产和医疗管理，都是一些特色，而不是每个学校都有的。

每个人求学的动机和素质也不一样，学校质量和学生素质要匹配，学生的需求也要和学校的优势匹配，这样才是门当户对。

    同意！ 身边有两个例子可以证明，他们上的是美国很有特色的BS，尽管总排名不是TOP10，但同样很有收获。我想排名尽管重要，但作为选校标准，是片面的。

honghongyuyu

楼主，能否举具体得案例呢？

babazi

中国发展越快，国内的MBA用武之地越多
楼主的理论是比较有实用性的，建议实力一般追求性价比结果的同学使用

zzlz

个人感觉不一定,很多东西在国内看不到的.这还跟定位有关吧.

你似乎定义MBA就是要找一份好工作,很多人并不完全是这个目标.

FINAC

DO YOU THINK ANY CHINESE BUSINESS SCHOOLS ARE BETTER THAN INSEAD/LBS, WHICH ARE NOT US SCHOOLS.

pizi

以下是引用FINAC在2007-2-13 17:15:00的发言：
DO YOU THINK ANY CHINESE BUSINESS SCHOOLS ARE BETTER THAN INSEAD/LBS, WHICH ARE NOT US SCHOOLS.

Do you think any China produced chips are better than Intel & AMD? Or even better than Phlips? But why there has so many Chinese chips in the world?

Right things from right producer with a right price in the right place. That's the business in my mind, like marketing. 

What is the purpuse for you to study? find a good position or just own a good name?

Do you think U.S. or Euro schools have a better understanding of Asian business in average than Asian schools? Maybe they even don't know how to solove 三角债 or 白条.

FINAC

i have to correct you that there are many chips made in china, but not designed in china, and do not have a chinese brand. We produce chips for Taiwan, and Taiwan produce for other developed countries. therefore you example is not very meaningful.
our value is not about knowing what is 三角债 or 白条. our value is to be able to learn and develop with changes in china, better with an insight about what happened in other countries. Of course we in China, knows what is happening. But do you think we can think beyong the current scope? Can Chinese universities really give you  an idea about the truth of Korea war? Therefore, being in China does not mean you understand China. I found many VC guys in Silicon Valley, who know clearly what happen in US, Korea, Japan, Taiwan and China, from Chips to Internet companies. We also found a lot of Investment banks or Private equity firm are buying distressed assets or big local companies in China, and they know better how to deal with such sophisticated business with Chinese charateristics. Therefore, being foreigners do not mean they know nothing about China.

In my school, China is a hot topic in many courses taught by foreign professors. They have a totally different opinion regarding China economy compared with the professors in PKU. How many economists in China really know more China ecnomics than professor Chen Zhiwu in Yale?

Let's talk about chips, which I by chance know some entraprenuers and start-ups. I would say that most of founders have US background, esp. Stanford/MIT/UC Berkeley and many plant managers are Taiwanese. We really have very chips people that are 'made in China'.

honghongyuyu

  楼上长篇大论，华而不实

  资讯全球化得今天，哪里都能了解得"the truth"，哪里也都不容易了解到"the truch"?你在美国了解得 korea War 就是"truth"? 另外请问，你在美国了解得“伊拉克战争"很 "truth" ，虐囚呢？将要发生得 “伊朗问题”呢？最客观得情况，不同得视角定义不同得"truth"，你最多了解得美国定义得"truth"而已

  陈之武了解中国？ 一个好得经济、社会学家和自然科学家不一样，基本得要求是本土的。了解印度得一定是印度得经济、社会学家，中国也是如此，比如吴敬琏。陈得视角最多可以作为一个参考。他可能了解情况，但不可能堆为什么这样有深刻得理解－－也解决不了问题。看MCK在我公司得做法这一点很清楚－－－好像很懂，但解决不了问题。   90年代，一个长期在美国得“大牛”建议政府搞“价格剪刀差”，听上去很好，结果搞出了大批投机和不公平。

  学生腔

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FINAC

I never said you can get the truth in US (I even seldom mention US in my last post, so don't make any assumption!), but i am sure you may not get the truth in China due to control in media, culture and education. Similarly, North Korean really don't understand what happens in the rest of world. You may not get the truth in US, but at least you can see different opinions, and you can judge by yourself. Think of SARS, pollution in Jinlin/Harbin, needless to mention any thing sensitive to politics.

Wu Jinglian is a very exceptional one. I don't think he is comparable to othe professors in China, which explain why he is one of the first Chinese professors in CEIBS.

Let's talk about Mckinsey. Strategic consulting may not be easy to execute. If the consulting is easy to execute, then probably every one can think of it and, you don't need to invite Mckinsey. Probably Accenture is enough. But Accenture's business is almost totally different from Mckinsey. Therefore, if you want to judge a strategic consulting firm from whether it's easy to execute, then I think you really don't understand consulting at all.

I recently contacted PKU, Tsinghua and CEIBS career services as well students organization. In my opinion, PKU is totally like a state owned enterprise. Tsinghua career services is better, but it's students clubs are not active, or not allowed to interactively communicate with industries. CEIBS is better. However, compared with top business schools globally, students are much more proactive and they can hold any seminar, or recruitment activities, or cocktail. That's the freedom of academics and networking, which is still rare in China. 

In conclusion, if you don't have experience in globally top business school, then probably it's a waste of my time since you make conclusion without knowing both sides. 

seanbb

VC/IB/PE就是最知道TRUTH的?

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