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想听听CD前辈们的建议。

目前在一家Fortune500的跨国公司任研发部门经理5年多，工作舒适，但上升空间有限且慢。有心想申请美国的top MBA，但由于是工科背景且无任何商业经验，估计只能申请到6-10名左右的。目前夫妻二人收入大约300KRMB（税后）。两年MBA成本在1000KRMB左右，而且出去后妻子便不再工作，并打算在出国期间生孩子。毕业后顺利的话可以年薪90KUSD左右吧，但税要交掉1/3吧，也就60KUSD左右，合480KRMB。远期目标是想自己创业。想问两个问题：

1。前3的MBA(H/W/S)和6-10名左右的比如Duke/Michigan/Darden，毕业后的差别有多大？

2。像我这种情况值不值得花1000KRMB和两年时间去读个美国的MBA呢？如果去的话，排名至少要多少才值得呢？

大家有啥说啥。谢谢。

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-20 0:26:52编辑过]

yorkzhong

这个东东纯经济帐的话要算到5－10年才能平衡(maybe)，但是你还要考虑给你带来的新的视野和经历。

xealot

1. You can try the top three. You may find they aren't so inaccessible as you thought;
2. When you mentioned Fuqua/Ross/Darden, they're actually among the top 15. You have some more options; they're the Chicago GSB, Kellogg, the Columbia GSB, et cetera, all of which are worthy of a try.
3. The difference between the top three you mentioned and the other three you mentioned is tangible (although I'm not sure if I could say substantial), in terms of reputation, placement and possible pay.
4. Whether or not to pursue an MBA is pretty personal; the information you provided cannot justify the decision you could make.But I can say that your case is pretty typical, for those who have chosen to pursue one of the top 15 programs in U.S.
5. As mentioned in L2, the MBA experience is more than money.

jkmbe

一点建议,两地收入的差别不应该是简单的汇率换算,不要仅仅因为9万美金税后6万,等与48万人民币>30万现在收入,就做了去念MBA的决定. 加拿大(应该与美国差异不大)本科毕业4-5万起薪,周围与我一起毕业的,工作了3-4年的同学一般目前都在6-7万这个阶段,他们去念MBA无非是想缩短职业上升所花的时间,2年VS.可能3-4年. 按照LZ收入来看,如果目标是9万年薪的话,你的职位,权限或者能够学到的东西很难说是上升还是下降,再者如果将来最终目标是回国创业的话,2年短暂的海外留学经历+沉重的经济负担(还贷+小孩)可能会让你打消创业的打算.

dtiger

Agree with jkmbe's option, especially this one
"如果将来最终目标是回国创业的话,2年短暂的海外留学经历+沉重的经济负担(还贷+小孩)可能会让你打消创业的打算". Why not try
those Chinese B-schools? 回国创业 needs to know the local market better.
BTW, Most successful startups in China by Haigui are from technololgy background
instead of MBA. You can check and have a better idea.



Meanwhile, R&D people are not B-schools' favorites, although
everyone can try the top 3 (or top 10), get in or not from China
mailand is not that easy (maybe people can see so many people in this
forum got offers, but as a post has said -- those got accepted will
always jump out to share the happiness, and those who were rejected
will just hide their sorrow in heart). Also, to load a full-time job in
the very short 1-year OPT period is not that easy, since the H1-B quota
will
limit your choices (many companies do not want to sponsor since MBAs
are not what USA needs a lot). By the way, everyone is so confident to
get a $90K
job right after graduation, but the market is always changing. When the
market is good, it is possible. When the market is bad, most likely no
job/internship at all. If considering all these risks and you still
feel you are very strong, then you can try... (I under-estimated these
factors when I first came to USA, since I was from Chinese top
universities, hot major, good grade, strong technical skills, young,
but the market ran against me -- that is not what I can control)



Actually, I have the similar background as LZ. But I chose a
risk-averse way, to study in US and load a decent job first, to get green card
in hand, to accumulate business experience ahead, and to accumulate
money for tuition [no need to take any debt], to get the good professional reference ahead, then I pursue MBA
to improve my business communication skills and strategic
decision-making abilities since I need these. After doing all these things, I
feel confident to choose whatever I like to do and take challenges without
too much concerns... Since I already have a PUT option on my career development... :-)



Hope these help... Of course, I am not too old to do all these...  

去留之间

以下是引用jkmbe在2006-3-20 1:52:00的发言：
一点建议,两地收入的差别不应该是简单的汇率换算,不要仅仅因为9万美金税后6万,等与48万人民币>30万现在收入,就做了去念MBA的决定. 加拿大(应该与美国差异不大)本科毕业4-5万起薪,周围与我一起毕业的,工作了3-4年的同学一般目前都在6-7万这个阶段,他们去念MBA无非是想缩短职业上升所花的时间,2年VS.可能3-4年. 按照LZ收入来看,如果目标是9万年薪的话,你的职位,权限或者能够学到的东西很难说是上升还是下降,再者如果将来最终目标是回国创业的话,2年短暂的海外留学经历+沉重的经济负担(还贷+小孩)可能会让你打消创业的打算.

那J版的意思是不建议去读MBA吗？J版似乎你也是想创业的，不过你也还是想读MBA的对吧？

而且从这个贴子里看http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=13&id=10305，想去读MBA的现在拿个>30万的大有人在，大家都是为什么还要读什么劳什子的top MBA呢？MBA刚毕业不最多也就能拿到9万刀左右吗？

btw, "VS"是什么意思呢？

去留之间

以下是引用dtiger在2006-3-20 3:26:00的发言：
Agree with jkmbe's option, especially this one
"如果将来最终目标是回国创业的话,2年短暂的海外留学经历+沉重的经济负担(还贷+小孩)可能会让你打消创业的打算". Why not try
those Chinese B-schools? 回国创业 needs to know the local market better.
BTW, Most successful startups in China by Haigui are from technololgy background
instead of MBA. You can check and have a better idea.


Meanwhile, R&D people are not B-schools' favorites, although
everyone can try the top 3 (or top 10), get in or not from China
mailand is not that easy (maybe people can see so many people in this
forum got offers, but as a post has said -- those got accepted will
always jump out to share the happiness, and those who were rejected
will just hide their sorrow in heart). Also, to load a full-time job in
the very short 1-year OPT period is not that easy, since the H1-B quota
will
limit your choices (many companies do not want to sponsor since MBAs
are not what USA needs a lot). By the way, everyone is so confident to
get a $90K
job right after graduation, but the market is always changing. When the
market is good, it is possible. When the market is bad, most likely no
job/internship at all. If considering all these risks and you still
feel you are very strong, then you can try... (I under-estimated these
factors when I first came to USA, since I was from Chinese top
universities, hot major, good grade, strong technical skills, young,
but the market ran against me -- that is not what I can control)


Actually, I have the similar background as LZ. But I chose a
risk-averse way, to study in US and load a decent job first, to get green card
in hand, to accumulate business experience ahead, and to accumulate
money for tuition [no need to take any debt], to get the good professional reference ahead, then I pursue MBA
to improve my business communication skills and strategic
decision-making abilities since I need these. After doing all these things, I
feel confident to choose whatever I like to do and take challenges without
too much concerns... Since I already have a PUT option on my career development... :-)


Hope these help... Of course, I am not too old to do all these...  

dtiger, how long have you been in US now?

p.s. What does PUT mean?

dtiger

Near 7 years.



Check a financial derivative book, you will see what a PUT option means
(it is like a protective right to minimize your loss and keep your
asset value. There is also a CALL option)

去留之间

请问大家，象我这种情况，去排名多少的学校才是有意义的呢？谢谢。

gonghao

top10  

top20以外就不用考虑了，没有意义对于你来说