(原创)对留学MBA的一点感想

bigzigzag

楼上，white people dominated的环境我同意。

经济活力远远比不上中国，不敢苟同。

据我所知，那么多新商业模式，那么多新技术，潮流，都是copy自米国。而不是反过来。

dashasha

嗯，身份问题的确很棘手。

kevinao

the 1st job after business school may not offer much higher pay if you are already quite succesful before business school. But I believe the 1-2 years experience can be very valuable in the rest of your life. Some people argue that if you have annual pay over CNY400K, then there is no need to go to school. I totally disagree.

People tend to be satisfied before they know what is really great in outside world, e.g. our Ching dynasty. In business schools in US/EU, you not only can learn sth that you have never heard in China, but also learn a lot from local country (econonic and social development), different culture, and more important, a lot from faculty, classmates and alumni. It's not a surprise to find your classmates as associates in Goldman Sachs or Mckinsey US/EU. Do you think your achievement is higher than them?

Unless you earn USD100K+ in China, otherwise I do not see why not to go abroad for further study if you have opportunity.

dtiger

Hi, Guys,

     The job market is not that bad as you thought
(Of course it was bad from 2001 to 2003). Especially this year, it is
very good...

     Actually, if you have a reasonable target for
the starting salary (i.e. do not always say I HAVE TO GET $10K/month),
then it is not that hard to load a job in US. For example, if you have
engineering background, it is possible to get Product Manager /
Marketing position (I do have several friends with engineering
background, and got MBA from 10-40 ranked schools). Although B-school
does not like engineering people, but they do have the best opportunity
to load job after MBA... It is really a funny thing, but it is the
fact...

    For accounting / auditing pre-MBA background, it is also not hard to load a job at all.

    For pure marketing people, I know some people loaded
jobs to coordinate with Chinese branches, within some traditional
industries (such as manufacturing)...

    Pure management people, it may be a headache since
it is not so easy to manage Americans, especially you may not have been
working here for a while to show your tracked record...

    Of course, if everyone just rushes to IB or MC, then
there may not be so many openings. Internship is one thing, the
full-time position is another thing. After all, most people only have 1
year to search job after graduation...

   

By the way, H1-B visas are 65K + 20K each year. This extra 20K is for
students with MS or PhD degree from US universities. But I saw most
girls actually permanent residency by marriage... (for example, the
husband working in engineering or biotech or school, etc) :-) So no
need to really worry about the status issue...



    Above views based on my nearly 7 years life in US and across 4 states living... :-) Hope it helps!

tong7777

To bigzigzag: 我说的经济活力不是经济实力或经济发展现状。我每次在global operation review的会上听到公司美国本土，欧洲等国家的numbers真的想睡觉，全都是0％，－2％什么的。一说起中国就不一样了，20％＋，说起来就觉得爽。我完全同意以经济现状来说，中国还远远赶不上他们，但是做一个增长20%+的business要比0％的更有做头。当然这是我的个人看法。欢迎拍砖。

wslonggmat

以下是引用royalpest在2006-3-10 5:09:00的发言：

很多怀着美国梦的朋友们以为到美国读个TOP的MBA就能在美国找到份工作。为什么会这样以为呢，因为有学校的就业统计，每个学校为了争排名都把那个数字搞的天花乱坠。尽量吹嘘。但是，这个统计只是针对美国人的。MBA的国际学生想在美国找份工作，很难。美国移民局每年H1的配额也就是10万个左右。这些名额是针对紧缺岗位的,也就是说美国人做不了或是不想做的工作， MBA的工作算是吗？ 连美国人自己多说“我们的工作机会都被搬到亚洲去了，你们还要过来抢”很多大公司每年是招几个H1的，但这都是在美国是在找不到人的情况下，另外，即使找不到人，他也先考虑从海外的分公司relocate几个资深有经验的员工过来，给相对高一点的pay, 但比起雇一个留学生要少得多。经常听到有人说，录取我的那所学校就业很好，去年有人去了AAA拿到了BBB的pay. 这些能有多少呢，而且好要考虑一下那些少数的幸运者以前的背景和network.

对绝大多数的MBA申请者或是正在找不到工作而苦恼的朋友们来说，快点找到你的职业目标。到大公司的中国分支机构也是比较好的选择，应为，这里才是需要你们，并且能发挥你才能的地方。

我的一点点建议 FYI!

整个论坛唯一有用的话,非常佩服,也非常感谢. 　我认识很有所谓牛人都是混不下去了，然后拼命考G, 考个高分还样样得意, 搞的大陆学生的Ｇ成绩严重贬值，其实他已经是个LOSER了, 就是读了HARVARD又怎么样呢?　到现在没听说那个商业巨子是ＴＯＰ１０出来的，倒是出身农民和缀学学生的有不少．　自身的问题不是考读书能解决的，要自省．　欢迎讨论这个有意义的话提．我的邮箱ＷＳＬＯＮＧＣＮ＠ＹＡＨＯＯ．ＣＯＭ．ＣＮ

natashaa

yes, you are right. top 10 didn't produce real business supermen....

debbiejada

以下是引用wslonggmat在2006-3-12 20:08:00的发言：

整个论坛唯一有用的话,非常佩服,也非常感谢. 　我认识很有所谓牛人都是混不下去了，然后拼命考G, 考个高分还样样得意, 搞的大陆学生的Ｇ成绩严重贬值，其实他已经是个LOSER了, 就是读了HARVARD又怎么样呢?　到现在没听说那个商业巨子是ＴＯＰ１０出来的，倒是出身农民和缀学学生的有不少．　自身的问题不是考读书能解决的，要自省．　欢迎讨论这个有意义的话提．我的邮箱ＷＳＬＯＮＧＣＮ＠ＹＡＨＯＯ．ＣＯＭ．ＣＮ

建议您好好用一下GOOGLE

tingyun

以下是引用wslonggmat在2006-3-12 20:08:00的发言：

整个论坛唯一有用的话,非常佩服,也非常感谢. 　我认识很有所谓牛人都是混不下去了，然后拼命考G, 考个高分还样样得意, 搞的大陆学生的Ｇ成绩严重贬值，其实他已经是个LOSER了, 就是读了HARVARD又怎么样呢?　到现在没听说那个商业巨子是ＴＯＰ１０出来的，倒是出身农民和缀学学生的有不少．　自身的问题不是考读书能解决的，要自省．　欢迎讨论这个有意义的话提．我的邮箱ＷＳＬＯＮＧＣＮ＠ＹＡＨＯＯ．ＣＯＭ．ＣＮ

同意, 很大部分MBA是因为发展不如意才选择读书的。真正successful的有几个愿意花时间心血去考G读书. 所谓loser's game...