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sbbi

12. (版本1) … more babies were born to mothers over the age of 30 (than) under it.

(版本2)In 某年 a study indicates that more babies were born to mother that aged over 30 ---under 30.
我选b:　than born
其他的是than them 呀什么的5个答案就是没有我想选的：THAN THOSE WHO WERE BORN TO MOTHERS UNDER 30.所以我只好选b

(版本3)语法头一题就是than under it 那道选a 我肯定
more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it. than画线 than (babies were born to women ) under it

(版本4)children were born by women under thirty more than ...over thirty. 一个比较

SBBI:
I think it should at least be:
more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than to women under 30
"under it"指"the age of thirty"太牵强了把


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6. (版本1)Government purchased sth for some student to use to replace sth
to use to replace
to use in place of
… them …

(版本2) 刚发现这个月的一题文法是去年的机经....比较完整版. 大家讨论一下.
Question: Goverment distributed eletronic books and computers into high
schools ___________________the textbooks.
1)for use in place of
2)for use to replace
3)to use them to replace
4)to use them in place of
(本题讨论, 请参见下贴.谢谢ruthere的共享!)http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=22&id=15283&replyID=103173&star=1&skin=

Qxz9524’s remark:
She needed to move closer for me to hear(=so that I could hear) what she was saying.
Government purchased sth for some student to use(=so that some student could use) ….
"use" is a verb that always has an object.
use+object+to infinitive:You can use the palette knife to apply paint directly to the canvas.
use+object+ as/for/in place of  + n: Lacking cooking implements, we used one of the cars' hubcaps as a makeshift pan.
These lights are used for illuminating the playing area. = We use these lights for
illuminating the playing area.
One example in OG SC 231"All of the other choices use incorrect, illogical, or imprecise constructions in place of the rate of loss rises. "

天山’s remark: 个人认为是选to use in plce of ， 如果用replace，则replace的逻辑主语指代不清，好象是学生，其实逻辑主语应该是governemt.  另外，ETS在og的注释中频繁用到use..in place of ,而从未用过use...to repalce.


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13. Featured with 2xx works of 1xx artists (working in the media ranging from … to …), the First Guangzhou …
1)who work in the media ranging …
2)working in the media that ranges …
(个人觉得两个考点：定从与分次短语做定与区别，主谓一致)

SBBI:
同意1)

大家讨论一下

braveMBA

12、我倾向于THAN BORN，因为THAN UNDER IT有歧义，如果IT是指代30岁的话，那么这句话也可以理解为，“更多的孩子是由30岁以上的妇女生的，比起低于30岁的孩子来说”，或者也可以理解为，“更多的孩子是由30岁以上的妇女生的，比起在30岁以下的出生的孩子来说”，虽然荒谬，但的确有这个含义。而尽管THAN BORN不是很好的答案，但是它至少避免了这些歧义。

6、to use in place of. 天山说的很有道理，有OG解释为证
“A and B use so unidiomatically in place of ....”

13、同意1）WHO WORK强调的是一种特定的、具体的事实，而ranging from这里强调的是一种规律性的、客观的或者说默认的事实。

braveMBA

似乎THAN BORN也有歧义，再想想。

joice

以下是引用sbbi在2003-9-20 23:14:00的发言：
12. (版本1) … more babies were born to mothers over the age of 30 (than) under it.

(版本2)In 某年 a study indicates that more babies were born to mother that aged over 30 ---under 30.
我选b:　than born
其他的是than them 呀什么的5个答案就是没有我想选的：THAN THOSE WHO WERE BORN TO MOTHERS UNDER 30.所以我只好选b

(版本3)语法头一题就是than under it 那道选a 我肯定
more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it. than画线 than (babies were born to women ) under it

(版本4)children were born by women under thirty more than ...over thirty. 一个比较

SBBI:
I think it should at least be:
more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than to women under 30
"under it"指"the age of thirty"太牵强了把

I got :
(版本1) yes. than under it.
(版本2) i prefer " than them" and i feel mother should be mothers.
(版本3) yes. than under it.
(版本4)yes.
SBBI's: more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than to women under 30

good one but it would be too easy to be true.

am i too sleepy or what? I will take another look tomerrow.

[此贴子已经被作者于2003-9-21 12:39:06编辑过]

joice

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SmileFM

以下是引用joice在2003-9-21 12:34:00的发言：
I got :
(版本1) yes. than under it.
(版本2) i prefer " than them" and i feel mother should be mothers.
(版本3) yes. than under it.
(版本4)yes.
SBBI's: more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than to women under 30

good one but it would be too easy to be true.

am i too sleepy or what? I will take another look tomerrow.

[此贴子已经被作者于2003-9-21 12:39:06编辑过]

这题的第一个版本是我原来写的. 考试时主要考虑的是:

1) 比较的省略不能一节一节省. 比如说, ... (than born) over it. 在born和over it 中省略了 to mothers. 那么引起的歧义就是 "更多的孩子是由30岁以上的妇女生的，比起在30岁以下的出生的孩子来说”.

2) ... (than them) ... : 这个them 指代不清晰, babies or mothers.

3) under it: 从意思理解, 是指under the age of 30. 而且under it是在划线外.

其它选项都有1或2的毛病.

选项1) ... over the age of 30 (than) under it. 省略了born to mothers, 直接拿两个介词短语比较非常清楚简洁.

这道题出现4次, 3次是第一题位置, 相当重要啊!

sbbi

SmileFM,一个重要问题,此题画线部分是"THAN"么?
也即"under it"是在非画线的题干部分,是么?
版本2)4)却是"UNDER 30".

braveMBA

同意，当时想的时候就觉得意思有些混乱了，所以写THAN BORN的同时发现了歧义。

joice

以下是引用SmileFM在2003-9-23 10:40:00的发言：

这题的第一个版本是我原来写的. 考试时主要考虑的是:

2) ... (than them) ... : 这个them 指代不清晰, babies or mothers.

Thanks,SmileFM. Here is my thought about (版本2):
to mothers that aged over 30 than to them( mothers) that aged (omission)under 30?

sounds aburdly

sbbi

(版本3)语法头一题就是than under it 那道选a 我肯定
more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it. than画线 than (babies were born to women ) under it

好象也不错呀!