you shall not come to ivey

cicilla

以下是引用cheeyong在2005-12-18 15:32:00的发言：
楼主的帖子恐怕又要引起讨论了，或者引起IVEY同学的不满，呵呵。

唯恐天下不乱的人。

大家都有发表自己看法的自由，也都有自己选择的自由。

richardg047

另外, 英文和SOFT SKILLS在哪里都是重要的,但这恰是咱中国人比较弱的. 不能回避,只能迎头赶上啊.

cheeyong

你怎么又来拍我了

sean1255

well, my opinion is that if you want to go back to china after mba, then ivey is better than rotman. First ivey has much longer history, then ivey has offices in shanghai and beijing. and finally, ivey is kind of a 'copy' of harvard....

but if you want to stay in canada, then rotman is much better. their strength in finance ensures that the graduates get much better jobs in average. however, since the canadian market is very limited, so both schools cannot guarantee 100% job replacement rate, although they are the top schools in canada.

if not china and canada, then both are similar --- very few people know them and treasure their mba...compare to us ones, especially the top us schools.

hope this would help.

by the way, if you go back to china after mba, then ivey graduates usually get 300k-400k in rmb, so not much higher than good local schools. the replacement rate is not that great too, probably 50-60% among the students who choose to go back. this is the data from school's career management.

sean1255

The 1st question is that Did you quit Ivey thus far ? If you quitted already, what is ur plan?

No unfortunately, I didnot quit...mainly because of my family. if I go to the states, then my family has to relocate too, and that is a lot of trouble, especially for my kids, in addition, my wife has to quit her job too.

the other reason is financial concern. my situation is kind of cross fingered. i cannot be qualified for loans, because i have some savings. but if i go to the states, then i have to sell my house and use up almost all my savings. while it is ok with me, but to my family, it is too risky.

The 2nd question is that Can u apply for other top b-schools in states  ,saying that you just left Ivey for its poor education ? what's the chance for u to get admitted?

if i quit ivey, i am pretty sure that i can get in a top 15-20 us schools without a lot of problem. actually univery of califonia just sent me the offer of full scholarship (35k first year, then second year, offer me assistant job opportunity to cover tuition). there were a couple other schools too, sending me offers of scholarship in the past. but  i have finished the 1 semester in ivey, and with the economy still on the up curve, i feel confident to find a job in canada, although i am not sure what kind of job it will be.  

The 3rd question is that Does Ivey's China-returning students can get 30k-40K salary's job?  I doubted it really.The story what I heard is that much less than ur figure was. Ivey's graduates are not sell good in China's market.

the data in my message is from the school's career management, to tell you the truth, i doubted about it too. but i think that the school must have support for their data, and they will not intentionly provide fake data. so i think that is the average number for chinese students who choose to go back. or they probably average the salary from students going back to china and students who got jobs in canada...i cannot tell.

btw, I also want to put Ivey as my back-up school.Sigh... want to know ur advice.

only if you immigrate to canada, and use ivey study to kill immigration time requirements. (you have to stay in canada at least 3 years in the first 5 years?) otherwise, why use ivey as backup? if you had your reasons, then it is ok...

hope this would help....

sean1255

well the thoughts are good, but the reality is not that ideal. ask chinese students in ivey, and you will find out...

discover

以下是引用sean1255在2005-12-28 14:34:00的发言：
well the thoughts are good, but the reality is not that ideal. ask chinese students in ivey, and you will find out...

Sean, appreciate ur detail and logic answer.

since u have the family, quite undertand that you can not do what u want freely.

and could you share the experience how u got the full-$ for U of California? which U of California is so generous? Berkeley,LA, or Irvine? you really got a terrifc chance

天堂楼下

OMG, who is this seam1255 anyways. I heard so much negatives about Ivey from him!

ppeema

以下是引用天堂楼下在2008-1-28 22:25:00的发言：
OMG, who is this seam1255 anyways. I heard so much negatives about Ivey from him!

我很好奇你在作什么