再来一道Manhattan&CD还没讨论过的Pack2！【附我的想法】

杀G曼巴

Although the cacao plant probably originated in the upper Amazon region, its first cultivation for seeds and pulp was apparently begun in Mexico and Central America.
A.its first cultivation for seeds and pulp was apparently begun
B.apparently it was cultivated for its seeds and its pulp beginning
C.it was apparently first cultivated for its seeds and pulp
D.the beginning of its cultivation for seeds and pulp appears to be
E.the first cultivation for its seeds and pulp appears to have begun

我的想法是：
首先Although从句是cacao plant,那么主句用its肯定不好，主句主语最好是能指代cacao plant的
所以我杀了ADE 其次，
B不觉得非常奇怪么？而且B的语义明显重心不对，
文章是想强调尽管Cplant极有可能起源于Amazon，但它很显然一开始重在其他地方，
B的语义：尽管Cplant极有可能起源于Amazon，但很显然它是为了种seeds，这明显改变了intended Meaning
确实OA是C
但是杀掉ADE的感觉更多是凭直觉，不知道我的方法有没有什么语法上的依据，希望能得到牛牛更solid的一些解释~

杀G曼巴

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qlpyabc

我觉得可能是考察两个点，首先cultivation was begun，begin一般是主动用法，根据语义，cultivation首先开始于...;然后first和begin有redundant的问题，C更为合适

SHJ877

Although the cacao plant probably originated in the upperAmazon region, its first cultivation for seeds and pulp was apparentlybegun in Mexico and Central America.
A. its first cultivation forseeds and pulp was apparently begun
B. apparently it wascultivated for its seeds and its pulp beginning
C. it was apparentlyfirst cultivated for its seeds and pulp
D. the beginning of itscultivation for seeds and pulp appears to be
E. the first cultivation for itsseeds and pulp appears to have begun

AE first & begun redundant

B apparently 在主语it之前有修饰originated的嫌疑

D appears to be wordy

杀G曼巴

SHJ877 发表于 2017-11-6 21:31
Although the cacao plant probably originated in the upperAmazon region, its first cultivation for se ...

AE以及D的观点我非常认同

关于B，也是我最纠结的一个选项，有2点想探讨一下
（1）这里为什么apparently会有修饰originated的歧义，我还不是很理解
  我觉得这里apparently不能修饰到originated，因为originated的这句话是从句，从apparently开始想表达的语义就已经是主句的内容了，所以从语义分割区间的角度（这个我也不知道什么理论，只是感觉...)我把apparently算到主句里面，如果我有问题希望能反驳~
（2）我认为的2个split
1.可能在于first：
（C）: 已经确定主语是it，apparently 显然是修饰first cultivated，想强调（尽管它起源于亚马逊）但第一次是种植是在墨西哥（这里有个潜台词是它第一次在墨西哥那一带种，并没有说之后在哪儿种）
反观B， apparently 这里修饰的只是cultivated，意思是（尽管它起源于亚马逊），但它很显然种在墨西哥（潜台词是在那个timeframe里一直种在墨西哥），原句语义如果合理尽量不要改动
2.这个split我比较确定
B： its seeds and its pulp（如果物主代相同，能省则优）
C: its seeds and pulp

杀G曼巴

qlpyabc 发表于 2017-11-5 11:55
我觉得可能是考察两个点，首先cultivation was begun，begin一般是主动用法，根据语义，cultivation首先开 ...

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此外你觉得我排除ADE的方法有问题不..不知道有没有什么具体的依据

有一个比较确定的原则是，主从句代词最好对应指代

这里Although是从句，主语是cacao plant，那么首先主句（如果有代词）代词最好指cacao plant

但是像ADE这种似乎又没有代词，都是名词，但是也不指代cacao plant，这种属于不优吗？好像这种也可以啊...

杀G曼巴

我觉得除了B以外比较稳妥的排法：

AE Redundancy 没疑问

D是appear to be  这里用法awkward

杀G曼巴

杀G曼巴 发表于 2017-11-6 22:01
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此外你觉得我排除ADE的方法有问题不..不知道有没有什么具体的依据

我一开始的排除方法应该是有问题的...找了几个正确句子：

Although improved efficiency in converting harvested trees into wood products may reduce harvest rates, demand will be stimulated because of increasing supply and lowering prices, which boost consumption.

Although women’s wages are improving, Department of Labor statistics show that the ratio of their earnings to those of men has been roughly static since 1960.

杀G曼巴

对了..这里appear to be 为什么wordy呀？ 之前觉得后面直接+ 介词结构不好，一般都是➕名词结构

但是有看到一个类似的

Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow, as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.

这里is believed to be 后面直接加了介词结构...

所以是因为两种用法不一样么？

SHJ877

杀G曼巴 发表于 2017-11-6 21:57
AE以及D的观点我非常认同

关于B，也是我最纠结的一个选项，有2点想探讨一下

记得好像在Ron的视频里见到过类似的 一时没找到 就先那个Manhattan举个例子吧

Wrong: The CEO declared that everyone had to work every day through the holidays to make the production deadline, but in calling for such an extreme measure, the company's employees were upset to the point of mutiny.
However, becausethe -ing modifier falls after the conjunction connecting the two clauses, the modifier refersto the employees, not to the CEO.

Right: In an extreme measure, the CEO declared that everyone had to work every day through the holidays to make the production deadline; her employees were upset to the point of mutiny.

Right:The CEO declared that everyone had to work every day through the holi- days to make the production deadline, but in calling for such an extreme measure, she upset her employees to the point of mutiny.


虽然这里是-ing modifer 不过也是做adverbial modifer 而且结构上 clause+adverbial modifier, sub ... / clause, adverbial modifier+sub. adverbial modifer都是在 第二个主语之前 不过是逗号的位置有些区别 所以感觉大同小异
似乎是因为adverbial modifier 不像是noun modifier要求的那么固定 所以位置更加随便一些 只要不引起歧义

刚开始接触G 有的也不是太懂 个人观点仅供参考