WHU的MBA和EBS的MIM怎么选择呢

Miya2017

cheesechan 发表于 2017-3-9 20:12
1a. That's is an excuse. Losers always get an excsue for their failure - business school still has  ...

1. well, I also think so.

2. hard to say, but definitely there would be more/better opportunities in a more developed city/area, right? Well, not limited in Berlin, but to a large extent. It's quite complicated

3. at least, MIM is more solid than MBA in aspect of such knowledge, and such management things are more real than nothing(like a language). Of course, compared to technical or theoretical subjects, management is an empty case. But the latter is way out of my reach. So, it's relatively......OR just between MIM & MBA

4. by "younger" I also mean working experience, even for MBA program in USA. I don't see the point or the difference between MIM & MBA(with candidates of less/no working experience) in PRIVATE BUSINESS SCHOOL.

cheesechan

Miya2017 发表于 2017-3-9 20:50
1. well, I also think so.

2. hard to say, but definitely there would be more/better opportunities ...

2. Location is a concern, but should not be a big one within germany. A bad location will add quite some inconvience, but not really disadvantage that cant be solved.

3. I don't think so for the first part. (MIM is more solid than MBA in aspect of such knowledge). The reason why the one year program is one year is because they somehow put everything into one busy year. Separating the stuffs into two years will just make life less stressful (which is bad in sense of business training), but wont make it more solid. The only pros here is......you have more time for learning Deutsch. Thats why I suggest considering defering one year for that: take German class in evening for one year first.

4. This really depends. It will be fine for me as long as it doesn't the minimum number of years of experience is not less than 3.
The key point to me here is: it is WHU vs EBS. An absolutely 1st tier Germany business school vs a declining 2nd tier school. You can have other ways to extent/manipulate those student visa stuffs (when you need that for internship), but not a simple way to make your uni name on CV, and the alumni network better.

aluzeing

Miya2017 发表于 2017-3-9 19:44
关于普硕毕业和mba毕业找工作是2个风格，我不太清楚你是指的绝大多数mba学生和mim学生呢，因为显然前者一 ...

很多针对mim或者刚毕业学生的职位是不要有经验的人的，因为对方希望是一张白纸，自己来培养，很多就写申请者必须工作经验1年以下或者2年以下，不是你有经验就更有优势。而且普硕一般工资略低，德国工资本身在欧盟里算一般的。MBA工资肯定会高不少，但德国商学院MBA总体受排名影响，不是每个top雇主都会去，其实也不影响，不会德语想去McKinsey德国这样的实在太难了，但或许其实这样对中国人本身也没太大影响。

上课肯定不一样，MBA不可能全course base的，肯定很多是case。普硕上再多case，一群没有工作经验或者经验有限的人之间的讨论又可以从中学到多少呢，普硕班级也肯定大很多，各有利弊。一般而言，MBA应该在学校里享有更多的资源优势（就业办公室啊，guest speaker等等，毕竟交的钱多不少）

aluzeing

皮四殿 发表于 2017-3-9 14:58
Business school is all about network....If you must choose from WHU, EBS and ESMT, I would say it  ...

只是小硕，就没必要把networking看得那么重了，每年毕业一堆小硕要毕业，难道每个都能靠校友网络找到工作。MBA靠networking还现实一点。普硕还是看学校声誉，
学校location固然重要，但德国也就这么大，按照位置那么重要的理论，HHL这样在莱比锡的难道就要关门了？FSFM位置那么好也没见到发达呀....德国最好的公立商科那么多年了还是一直是曼海姆，没看到LMU或者Frankfurt有反超啊。

aluzeing

cheesechan 发表于 2017-3-9 20:12
1a. That's is an excuse. Losers always get an excsue for their failure - business school still has  ...

美国只要有ranked的商学院都是有认证的, 当然北美基本上是AACSB，不存在us news排名不错，但完全裸奔的学校的（M7/S13, 等等等等）。
FT ranking更要求至少AACSB或者EQUIS两者必须有一个，否则无法参与排名，所以EBS最直接的结果就是估计下一版的ranking里就被除名了

aluzeing

Miya2017 发表于 2017-3-9 20:50
1. well, I also think so.

2. hard to say, but definitely there would be more/better opportunities ...

你觉得MBA和MIM没区别，但雇主觉得有区别，那你认为是你觉得的有决定性还是雇主觉得有决定性呢？

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2017-3-10 03:08
美国只要有ranked的商学院都是有认证的, 当然北美基本上是AACSB，不存在us news排名不错，但完全裸奔的学 ...

其實我覺得真的有名校完全玩祼奔的也沒有甚麼所謂. Who care if Harvard ranks the 1st or 2nd?
當然, 這個logic不能應用於任何一間德國的學校......

所以我才不明白為甚麼有人現在還申EBS.

話說當年有新聞時還是everything not that certain, 負面影響未realize.
現在甚麼問題都浮現出來了, 弄不懂為甚麼有人還要捐申請費.

aluzeing

cheesechan 发表于 2017-3-10 05:09
其實我覺得真的有名校完全玩祼奔的也沒有甚麼所謂. Who care if Harvard ranks the 1st or 2nd?
當然, 這個 ...

我的意思是，无论名校与否，有的认证是很必须的，否则就和野鸡学校没有差别了（EBS不是野鸡）
就像你说的，学校如果认证丢了（无论什么原因）其实说明了问题严重到了一定程度. 而且EBS是15年没通过，16年复议还是没通过.....

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2017-3-10 20:39
（EBS不是野鸡）

這個.....我覺得到樓主兩/三年後畢業時就有機會的了......

出了事, 之後丟了認證, 下一步就是正如你所講會被踢出排名 (which likely affect exchange partner, and also corporate partners....), 之後就是被當成野雞的了
沒那麼快變真野雞.....但是沒意外的話就會向這個方向走.

Miya2017

aluzeing 发表于 2017-3-10 20:39
我的意思是，无论名校与否，有的认证是很必须的，否则就和野鸡学校没有差别了（EBS不是野鸡）
就像你说的 ...

所以现在问题集中在认证这块了？我直接问问EBS