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注册了真好 发表于 2015-11-5 14:34
以前真的没有想到M7/S16的master会和MBA之间有这么不可逾越的差距。我们明明和MBA一起上课一起参与评分curve,待遇却是千差万别。我们真是处于”操着MBA的心,找着本科生的工作,然而还找不到”的尴尬局面。
Actually the most important point is for sure not the grade, but the regonition of the soceity.
Of course one key point is: is the career service of master seperated from MBA? I guess very likely.....
why an MBA worth the tuition is:
1. the title of MBA, and the school
2. the network of classmate, which is tons of experienced profesional from different discipline
3. the career service
which one did a per-experience MS have?
well........the reason why people focus on if a master is "water" or not, or teach enough teachnical skills or not, is not only because a MS lack all these important element of a business school, nor only becuase the visa policy against non-STEM, but becuase: most entry role are doing hand-on job, so the skills is way more important. it is not the junior to do the presentation, but just to prepare the presentation for senior to present; it is not the junior to really to present the result, it is the junior to build to excel for analysis.........and this is exactly the logic why business education is left mainly for those with a few year of experience, instead of undergraduate or fresh graduate.
[offt opic]
咁講啦, 其實到而家我都唔明, 點解咁多人咁鍾意燒錢去美國讀pre-experience的business master.
美國不是中國, 也不是歐陸, 絕大多數的學生, 都是學士畢業就直接就業, 中間year 2/3/4的暑假早就去了做internship.
根本沒幾份工作要碩士才能申的....所以多數是本科學科不夠好, 做不夠internship或是暫時找不到工作的才會好諗, buy a 2nd chance.
[excluding STEM]
當然, 好的學生也是極少會讀business的, 尤其是management, marketing之流. 本科也好, MS也好, soft business都是留給二流學生諗的, no offense.
不信的話, 查一查, Ivy, or similar level top university, or even M7/ S16 level top business school, 約top 20左右的學校當中, 應該只有三四間左右, 在bachelor level會有這類主修可選(if i remember correctly, they are Wharton, Stern and Hass only)
至於有management, marketing之類master的business school有多少間, 這個大家都心中有數了.
一個good business school student需要的個性, 如good social skills, good presentation, communication等等, 都不是從coursework可以學到的.
對於一個美國學生來說, 這些都是中小學, 或者大學的課外活動的事: 美國文化自少就鼓勵學生多表現自己, more presentation than exam only since primary school, 各類的sports 去訓練leadership, and etc....
=> business主要是留給那些不知道喜歡讀甚麼好的weak student的, if one is talking from the point of elite education.
其實不只是美國, 英國歐陸也是如此, oxbrdige也不會有business undergraduate, 歐陸的正統大學也極少以商科聞名.
back to international student, or chinese student,
如果是名校, 回國有用就另計, 不過given絕大多數美國top level business school都沒有幾個business master的時候....能進top business school pre-experience master的人數可想而知.
Of course what I mean by top business school means the school is really well-regarded in business, instead only having a overall "reputation" on the ranking, or famous in some unrelated discipline.
P.S.1 當然, 再多說都沒有用, 反正版上的很多都是business undergraduate, 從升學選擇的角度上, 本身一早輸在起跑線上.
一個讀, say applied mathematics的學生, 想讀CS/stat master沒問題, 想讀MFE有數學編程背景明顯優於pure finance student, 想去讀MiM the door is still open; imagine the choice for a general finance or business school........good luck.
Here I don't mean business is necessarily a bad major, but just a bad one for those who plan to do graduate school.
It may be a better one for those who plan to work directly after graduation.
P.S.2
所謂地域優勢, location is very important, that's true.
說到底, 難聽一點說就是, 因為公司根本不care是甚麼學校, 讀了甚麼, 因為business is not a technical discipline, 根本不用讀碩士. 要的是related working experience, internship, and part-time.
international 讀這樣一個master的目的, 就是為了relocation; 誇張一點說, 這樣一個master的本質不是學習, 而是作為一張期權, 一塊stepping stone, 用來buy time and visa來在他鄉找工作用的....
and therefore we don't care if a master is academically "water" or not in business. Things in lecture and in books are easy and can be self study anyway.....
which is definitly different in STEM: imagine an STEM student go to an interview, which is very likely a technical one......
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