荷兰有些什么好的商学院呢？

xpcn

以下是引用ASUNG在2005-6-5 20:56:00的发言：

最好的应该是鹿特丹商学院RSM Erasmus

（http://www.rsm.nl/），欧洲能排在前3。

>> Very interesting....Then where do you put IMD, INSEAD, and LBS?

What about IESE, HEC, Oxford, Cambridge, ESADE, IE and SDA?

RSM is a nice school. Just that I heard some rumers that they lost some good professors in the previous year so the ranking slids down a bit. (And so sure, anyone has an idea about this?)

：）兄弟别急啊~我说的是MBA课程的排名，当然也只是依据金融时报。以此作为参考，是因为全球前50商学院毕业的MBA是能够直接去英国工作一年的。

从商学院整体水平来说，一流的好学校又有多少明显的差别呢？你说的INSEAD, LBS等等学校确实都是不错的。但是像Oxford, Cambridge这类的历史名校，我就觉得虽然学校名声在外，但是真正商学院的水平却不能称得上一流。

当然，对于排名这东西，仁者见仁，智者见智。只能作为参考。

ASUNG

：）兄弟别急啊~我说的是MBA课程的排名，

>> Me too, only discuess about MBA ranking

当然也只是依据金融时报。以此作为参考，是因为全球前50商学院毕业的MBA是能够直接去英国工作一年的。

>>The 全球前50商学院毕业的MBA是能够直接去英国工作一年的 is not according to 金融时报, but a list made by UK gorvernment. I think 'most' of the schools I mentioned including RSM is within the top 50.

从商学院整体水平来说，一流的好学校又有多少明显的差别呢？

>> I am not so sure. I think there IS A DIFFERENCE. But I am not so sure how big the gap is.

你说的INSEAD, LBS等等学校确实都是不错的。但是像Oxford, Cambridge这类的历史名校，我就觉得虽然学校名声在外，但是真正商学院的水平却不能称得上一流。
>> Yes, Osford and Cambridge MBA are 'not there yet'. I will only say they have 'good potential'.  

当然，对于排名这东西，仁者见仁，智者见智。只能作为参考

You are right, but in any case RSM is not top 3 in Europe. The competition is not the same....ex. INSEAD GMAT 707 average. RSM you can get in with something like 620 with okay working experience. I have the impression that it's easy to get in (maybe I am wrong). This year they admitted already 15 Taiwanese. Many people get in with GMAT score 580 to 650. Of course GMAT is not a 'good' indicator....but I believe people who get in INSEAD, LBS, IESE with over 700 GMAT will not have worse working experience than those admitted by RSM. As for Oxford and Cambridge....as far as I know they are attracting more high quility students than before. Also there is one important factore-it seems to me that Oxbridge people are 'eager' to reach the top. Many of them believe they eventurally will be top 5 in Europe (Not sure if this will really happen) while I never heard of RSM people saying the same. I saw people who recommend RSM as 'comparable to US top 30'/ 'Good choise if you can't go to USA'. Man... as a 'European top 3' you don't say you are 'comparable to US top 30'. You say you are head to head with US top 10 or M7 schools.

Rankings can change.

But the best b-school always contains the following elements (in my view):

Competative student body (Attract the best of the best applicants)

Ambitious, eager to be the best

The ability to help students gain mobility after graduation(expecially important for international students)

MBA is expensive. Besides 'good education'you also need good job oppotunity after graduation and smart/bright classmates.  

My two cents. Don't get me wrong. RSM is still a good MBA. Top 10 in Europe, but not top 3.(somewhere between 4 to 10)  

wupeng

1〉RSM

2>Nijenrole

3>Nimbas/TSM （U. of Twente)

From 《the guide of best europeen biz schools》 --William H. Cox

爱维的天

我今年申請上了RSM,雖然還不一定去唸,不過RSM雖然是不錯的學校,但要排歐洲第3(我也希望),真的有些勉強,大概排6-7吧!...參考..

johnko

1. Many thanks for inputs from xpcn, ASUNG, wupeng, and 爱维的天.

2. I think INSEAD, IMD, LBS are the top 3 in Euro MBAs while reading ranking reports.

3. However, the Europe is a so big market that even top 12 schools are still among very excellent choices. (the U.S. has top 20)

4. RSM, no doubt, the #1 in the Netherlands.

5. As for top 3 or top 7, my personal opinion, no very substantial difference, except avg. GMAT score (INSEAD and IESE seem to be the highest, both are considered U.S. MBA schools, not Euro ones).

6. Taiwanese can not be the sample of RSM students  (I believe RSM set friendly policy for Taiwan and Japan), although previously it had pre-MBA Abbott Lab. manager and Uniliver brand manager from Taiwan

7. By my knowledge, RSM probably will have students from Morgan Stanley, Anderson, Deloitte, and big pharma this year. I believe its quality, career, and salary will not be very bad.

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andttrip

Amsterdam Graduate business school是属于Universiteit van Amsterdam下的一个学院，而Amsterdam School of Business是属于Amsterdam Hogeschool的，从严格意义上来说，hogeschool不属于University。

loveshyboy

以下是引用xpcn在2005-6-4 19:57:00的发言：

最好的应该是鹿特丹商学院RSM Erasmus

（http://www.rsm.nl/），欧洲能排在前3。

我就是打算去这个学校念MARKETING MANAGEMENT呢：）

还有同志吗？

kevinao

Universiteit van Amsterdam 这个学校还可以。我认识一个人若干年前读master in finance, 之后他去了hsbc investment bank，在伦敦后来去了香港。不过那人背景很好，安达信3年，交大的，上外附中，高gmat， 有奖学金的。

jackieduan

鹿特丹商学院的marketing怎么样？ 他们的全部费用要多少？

Jeffrey-N

I was from RSM. For sure, RSM is a quite nice school, ranking No.1 in Netherlands. If you are first class NiuRen, I suggest you to go for Insead or LBS. But Anyway, other than those two BS, I don't think other European top 10 BS is stronger than RSM. At least, RSM's value is the highest among European top 10 BS (I means RSM tuition is lowest) and RSM is most internationalized school only after IMD in the world. I have exchanged to Ivey, and compared with Ivey, I do prefer to RSM's MBA life.

What's more, I feel confidence since all of us 9 RSM Chinese MBA 2005 grduates located nice jobs within 3 months after grduation.

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