4月16日上海将举行反日游行

lawyer_1

支持游行，但反对暴力。虽然有某些暴力并不能否定游行的意义。支持游行，因为那是向全国世界表达了我们中国老百姓的不满，告诉全世界的老百姓，日本并没有为向人类犯下的罪虐忏悔，意味着它还会再挑起一次世界大战，将会为人类带来灾难。今天是中国，明天也许会是别的国家。有没有意义，有！告诉世界，我们中国十几亿老百姓不满日本的行为，他们的行为是有违人类规则，是反人类，人类应该阻止日本的行为，否则将给人类带来灾难。告诉全世界的老百姓，象日本这样不为战争惭悔的国家，一旦成为常任理事国，会给人类带来灾难的。中国老百姓不满，因为是直接受害者，所以有切身体会。反对暴力，因为暴力不是我们所要的，虽然有暴力不能否定游行的意义，我们也不必因为日本的几篇报甚至个别别有用心的人的报道而不去游行，试问世界上大型的游行那次没有个别的过激行为。我们能做的是自己不暴力，尽量劝告阻别人的暴力，毕竟暴力是有负面影响，和我们的目的相背的。

ygjm

回所谓的抗日街市化:

想啥想, 林子大了还什么鸟都有呐, 十几亿的人, 出个不同花样又有什么奇怪的? 这叫什么来者, 啊对, 满足民众的民主诉求.

当然你说得也对, 暴力起码表面上不好看(其实是不太好接着玩儿下去), 但游行不带表等同于打砸抢,本质上还是有区别的, 老百姓的素质没有你想像的那么低. 事实上, 当年64闹的那么凶的时候, 很多人都还自觉的维护着公共秩序的, 何况这次练小日本呐.

不去游行的不带表爱国, 去游行也不带表就是去闹事. 外交上的一本正经和街头的群情激昂不过是一个事务的不同方面罢了. 个人看法不同, 可以理解, 没人是被强迫去游行的. 但一个劲的对别人泼冷水就有点费解了, 说句不太好听的, 不知道是真傻还是假傻!  

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-4-14 20:57:29编辑过]

JohnComic

以下是引用ygjm在2005-4-14 19:22:00的发言：

回楼上:

不要一根筋的想问题. 做一件事情, 用两个甚至三个标准的例子太多了, 为什么不能用? 就是要占了便宜还要卖乖. 为什么? 利益使之然也.

在过去几十年里, 美国举着民主的大旗搞双重,三重标准的事少吗? 但我不恨美国, 相反, 这才是一代枭雄应有的手段! 民主主义的确是个双刃剑, 但问题在于怎么玩儿. 因噎废食不是个好办法.

另外, 我看了你的回帖(虽然被删了), 我只想说, 在怎么样操作舆论,民情方面, 恰恰是国内的教育和宣传教的大众唯唯诺诺, 对外界往往一厢情愿. 我出来六年了, 与各国的鬼子打过交道, 一个基本的经验就是: 实力就是一切! 不要以为这是什么暴力心里, 在外交上, 弱肉强食自有人类以来就是第一真理. 力量均等时, 外交就是战场; 力量悬殊时, 战场就是外交.

民众游行, 大好事. 一, 这些年在外交上, 中国百姓憋的气不少, 适当的出出比憋下去安全; 二, 所谓被人利用一说, 还是上面的话, 双刃剑, 你用的好,伤人, 用的不好,伤己. 国内的为政者正好可以利用这个机会锻炼一下利用舆情,民调的能力, 为未来民主执政打好基础.

之前的文章被删了,好吧!我知道我说了一些禁忌的话(可笑吧!居然还有言论管制)

不过我不想让CD困扰,那段我就不再提了....

我这麽说好了,对ygjm的言论实在难以认同,

ygjm认为力量大就胜,请ygjm别这麽自傲,中国才刚起步而已,以力量取胜其实就和二战时

的日本没有两样,以此心态,当中国有一天强大时,也会犯和小日本一样的错.

富而好礼,更何况现在中国到处还都是问题,贫富差距如此大,大家要出国念MBA,自然都是

社会的精英,当然要努力为国家作事,但一味鼓动放大的历史情结,不如专注在国内的政经

改革吧!

我同意ygjm最後一段话,适当的发泄的确有帮助,但我不能接受的是,"舆情和民调"是不能被

利用的,更不能被为政者所利用,这和你最後的民主执政是背道而驰的,出来6年了,应该学习

别人的精华,回国作改革,为中国谋求更好的未来,共勉.....

JohnComic

以下是引用minzu在2005-4-14 20:11:00的发言：

你们真的要爱国，关心关心自己的生活，去为你生活在贫困线下的同胞挣取点合法权益，少污染环境才是正道！一身独立而至一国独立。

怎么老是删除我的帖子，还有王法吗？

我推.......

newpczzx

据我所知，本次民间反日大游行已经引起上海市民极大重视，我的很多朋友所在的公司内部都在传播游行信息，目前甚至已有徐家汇至日本驻沪领事馆、以及人民广场至日本驻沪领事馆两条行进路线，预计开始时间将在上午9:00。

但又有消息称，中国移动通信昨日通过1860向大量手机用户发送短消息，内容如下：

“上海市公安局重申：根据法律规定，游行要经过批准，群众表达爱国热情要有序、理智、合法。通过正当途径表达爱国热情，自觉遵守法制，自觉维护秩序。”

可见政府对于整个活动已经非常了解，并做好应对准备。

上述事实仅供各位参考，本人将肯定参加本次游行示威活动，至于各位是否还要靠所谓的理智来判断一下，避免陷入政治、人身纠纷，那就是自己的事情了。

还是那句话，抵制日货，从我做起！

誓与日本军国主义势不两立！

julieljzhu

支持游行！

抵制日货！

lucsh

Thousands in China protest against Japan

Demonstrators defy government warnings

The Associated Press

Updated: 12:08 a.m. ET April 16, 2005

BEIJING - Protesters in Shanghai egged the Japanese Consulate and smashed windows of Japanese noodle shops and bars Saturday in the central shopping district as thousands of anti-Japanese protesters defied government warnings and held demonstrations Saturday in two Chinese cities, amid suggestions that Beijing was trying to use the unrest to block Tokyo’s bid for a permanent U.N. Security Council seat.

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The government’s warning apparently stemmed from fears the protests might spin out of control and seriously threaten ties with Tokyo, which have plunged to their lowest point in decades.

In Shanghai, a crowd of about 5,000 marchers headed toward the consulate, and some pelted the building with with eggs and plastic water bottles. Police in riot helmets kept the crowd away from the consulate but let the protesters throw eggs and bottles.

Later the crowd headed to the shopping district. The protesters damaged about 10 restaurants and bars that serve Japanese patrons on Huaihai Road, a major shopping street in the Chinese business capital. The crowd targeted businesses with Japanese lettering on signs, even though many are Chinese-owned.

It wasn't clear whether anyone was injured.

Another protest by some 3,000 people was reported in the eastern city of Hangzhou. In Beijing, hundreds of police were on guard in Tiananmen Square to block a planned demonstration.

Protests focus on WWII history, Security Council bid
As Japan’s foreign minister prepared to fly to Beijing for talks aimed at defusing the tensions, activists posted messages on Web sites calling for a third weekend of protests over Tokyo’s wartime history and the Security Council bid.

Police in Beijing warned protesters could face legal action. A police statement appealed to the public to trust the Communist Party to handle relations with Japan and to avoid doing anything that might damage “social stability.”

Relations between Beijing and Tokyo have plunged to their lowest point in decades prompted by disputes over the Security Council, natural gas resources in disputed seas and new Japanese textbooks that critics say minimize Japan’s wartime offenses.

Beijing is alarmed at a proposal to give Japan a permanent Security Council seat. Such status carries veto power over U.N. actions and is now held by only five governments — China, the United States, Britain, France and Russia.

The protests last weekend appear to have started with grass-roots nationalist groups, but the Chinese leadership probably decided to let them continue in an effort to derail Tokyo’s bid, said Murray Scot Tanner, a China specialist at the Rand Corp. in Washington.

“I think that permitting the demonstrations provides leverage by creating a very public symbol of the depth of anger among the Chinese people toward Japan,” Tanner said.

Japanese commentators had similar assessments.

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-4-16 12:32:09编辑过]

renty732

唉，苏州的游行者被警察当场拖走不少，谁知道在上海会发生什么情况