请问这个背景应该如何定位

weidehou

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211+985， top 30 大学在上海， 大三公费交换，拿到法国top 10 商学院 Business bachelor学位。GPA折算应该在3.1-3.4之间。因为不同国家的折算方法有些差异。
大四回国辍学，赴英实习，在某半快消半奢侈品行业全球第一的公司，F500的英企实习，在伦敦工作半年。
半年后被该公司中国总部召回，现工作第3年半，担任上海区域销售主管。
兴趣爱好的话小提琴十级，门萨会员，运动方面也比较擅长不过没啥证书。
不确定够不够资格申请好一点的学校，也不想浪费无谓的时间和精力，所以希望有经验的朋友能指点一二正确的定位。
非常感谢。

deeppurpleh

LZTop50 我对你有信心!

JonFrank

Dee,
Aha! I see. Well I think you are in a position that many would envy. If you go into an MBA application with a goal that your job is to se up an R&D facility in the US for a big Chinese pharmaceutical, and your job is already GURANTEEED then this is a HUGE plus for your application, and you should ABSOLUTELY tell them. One of the most interesting profiles for business schools is candidates who already have good solid guaranteed managerial positions after graduation, because the school knows that candidates like this are almost destined to succeed – so it fulfills their interests of having talented, successful candidates who will have the potential to bring great things to the school as students and in the years after as alumni. So YES! Let them know. And make it seem as impressive and large as you possibly can.

Jon Frank

weidehou

Wow! What a lovely GMAT! That is an AWESOME start to base your application on. With a top university and some REAL international experience (Hope you had fun in France, it's a sweet place).
So you should be good to go even for Top 10 schools. The BIG question is what your work experience was like? So maybe you can answer a few questions for me, and we can think about this further:
1. Do you have any leadership/management in work or out? How many people? (I guess you manage some as a sales manager?
2. Have you been promoted? how many times? Faster than people?
3. Do you work for a big/famous company?
4. What are your goals?

If you give us more info, it will be a LOT easier for us to figure out what is right for you.

Jon Frank

-- by 会员 JonFrank (2012/6/18 9:45:35)

Thank you very vey much Jon, thanks for your attention and constructive advice. I think people like you are the reasons to makes Chase Dream so popular and cozy,

1. Do you have any leadership/management in work or out? How many people? (I guess you manage some as a sales manager?

A: I manage 4-5 key distributors and media agencies. No sales rep coz our structure is highly compact, ie. our senior national reserve brand manager only has three reportees and I am one of them. So basically I deal with clients by using distributor's sales forces and I deal with marketing events with media agency's forces. Simply, we outsource quite much.

2. Have you been promoted? how many times? Faster than people?
A: Yes, just once, however as a Global management Trainee, i was supposed to be promoted by this Nov.
To compare with most people in this industry, the average age of people who at my level is around 35. and Im 25

3. Do you work for a big/famous company?
A: Yes, F500, UK based. No.1 in its own industry, occupies more than 30% market share globally.

4. What are your goals?
A: I am aiming at a Top US MBA to build up some networks and as well learn how to manage the business in US coz I will possibly have an oppotunity to create and develop business for a very  big Chinese company in US 2-3 ys later. Could this be a goal? How should I focus my point and what level of school should I focus?

Thanks again very much

-- by 会员 weidehou (2012/6/19 16:09:13)

You are welcome my friend. I like the way you put it: cozy and warm! That’s what we try to do! We know its really tough sometimes to get good deep info, and if you feel comfy with the whole process, it will be a LOT easier.

So let’s get down to business: Overall from everything you have written things look very good. You have REAL leadership in a  leading firm, internationally known, and are 10 years!!! Ahead of the average (I LOVE this statistic).

Soo honestly, I think you can apply to any school you want. Make a list of 5-8 you want to apply to, and I have faith in you (as long as you deliver a great application J )…

As for your goals, you will of course need to be more specific. “build networks” and “learn to manage” is not specific enough and doesn't really tell us what you want to do. If you have no preference I suggest to stay in your industry and field, but just become the best in it… So to become regional sales manager for a huge company, and then global sales director and then maybe CEO… but be specific about your industry and the positions you are aiming for. It will make your whole application both easier and clearer. hope this helps my friend and let me know if there s more i could do to help, AAAND goood luck with everything




Jon Frank

-- by 会员 JonFrank (2012/6/29 9:49:42)

Sorry Jon I didnt explicitly express my post-mba goal. The fact is that I got an oppotunity to work for a very big Chinese pharmacuetical company to establish its business in US 2 years later. The company has built up an R&D department in US already and is planning to build up commercial department within the next 2-3 years. with my past exp and my family's relationships, the shareholder of the company is really happy to take me in its us branch to develop the business.

So I face a dilema here, that is it is two different industries, however of certain similarities, but the adv is that I can guanrantee a decent job after graduate and the goal is pretty clear- to learn how to do business in US, learn more management skills and build up networks.

Therefore my question is, do you think it is a good idea to let the shools know about the story above, even two different industries seem like little consistency. If yes, what aspect should i focus to avoid the dilemma and emphasize my advantages about this career goal?

Many thanks Jon, wish you a good weekend!

Dee

JonFrank

Wow! What a lovely GMAT! That is an AWESOME start to base your application on. With a top university and some REAL international experience (Hope you had fun in France, it's a sweet place).
So you should be good to go even for Top 10 schools. The BIG question is what your work experience was like? So maybe you can answer a few questions for me, and we can think about this further:
1. Do you have any leadership/management in work or out? How many people? (I guess you manage some as a sales manager?
2. Have you been promoted? how many times? Faster than people?
3. Do you work for a big/famous company?
4. What are your goals?

If you give us more info, it will be a LOT easier for us to figure out what is right for you.

Jon Frank

-- by 会员 JonFrank (2012/6/18 9:45:35)

Thank you very vey much Jon, thanks for your attention and constructive advice. I think people like you are the reasons to makes Chase Dream so popular and cozy,

1. Do you have any leadership/management in work or out? How many people? (I guess you manage some as a sales manager?

A: I manage 4-5 key distributors and media agencies. No sales rep coz our structure is highly compact, ie. our senior national reserve brand manager only has three reportees and I am one of them. So basically I deal with clients by using distributor's sales forces and I deal with marketing events with media agency's forces. Simply, we outsource quite much.

2. Have you been promoted? how many times? Faster than people?
A: Yes, just once, however as a Global management Trainee, i was supposed to be promoted by this Nov.
To compare with most people in this industry, the average age of people who at my level is around 35. and Im 25

3. Do you work for a big/famous company?
A: Yes, F500, UK based. No.1 in its own industry, occupies more than 30% market share globally.

4. What are your goals?
A: I am aiming at a Top US MBA to build up some networks and as well learn how to manage the business in US coz I will possibly have an oppotunity to create and develop business for a very  big Chinese company in US 2-3 ys later. Could this be a goal? How should I focus my point and what level of school should I focus?

Thanks again very much

-- by 会员 weidehou (2012/6/19 16:09:13)

You are welcome my friend. I like the way you put it: cozy and warm! That’s what we try to do! We know its really tough sometimes to get good deep info, and if you feel comfy with the whole process, it will be a LOT easier.

So let’s get down to business: Overall from everything you have written things look very good. You have REAL leadership in a  leading firm, internationally known, and are 10 years!!! Ahead of the average (I LOVE this statistic).

Soo honestly, I think you can apply to any school you want. Make a list of 5-8 you want to apply to, and I have faith in you (as long as you deliver a great application J )…

As for your goals, you will of course need to be more specific. “build networks” and “learn to manage” is not specific enough and doesn't really tell us what you want to do. If you have no preference I suggest to stay in your industry and field, but just become the best in it… So to become regional sales manager for a huge company, and then global sales director and then maybe CEO… but be specific about your industry and the positions you are aiming for. It will make your whole application both easier and clearer. hope this helps my friend and let me know if there s more i could do to help, AAAND goood luck with everything




Jon Frank

weidehou

其实我个人不是很同意ls说的career goal一定要拔到一定高度，（如果可以，确实很好）
而是需要有一定价值，而且这个价值是通过你申请的这个学校的mba最容易达到的
改变什么，做到什么这些都无所谓。关键是你为什么想这么做，对你有什么意义，你到底对这个goal多么坚定。当然如果GOAL能往大的说，而且MAKE SENSE又符合你一直以来的生活工作轨迹
那就完美了

美国人喜欢谈梦想，谈包袱，谈责任，而且喜欢说回报社会
所以不纯粹基于个人所求得那些GOAL其实都可以包装得很有深度

-- by 会员 killerinJP (2012/6/24 15:15:49)

恩同意楼上的. 不是每个人都是为了世界和平而活着的.大家都把自己的生活做的很好的话这个世界也就自然的会很好了.我没法去为了学校把自己包装成一个高尚的人.只能做一个纯粹的真实地人了.....嘿嘿

killerinJP

其实我个人不是很同意ls说的career goal一定要拔到一定高度，（如果可以，确实很好）
而是需要有一定价值，而且这个价值是通过你申请的这个学校的mba最容易达到的
改变什么，做到什么这些都无所谓。关键是你为什么想这么做，对你有什么意义，你到底对这个goal多么坚定。当然如果GOAL能往大的说，而且MAKE SENSE又符合你一直以来的生活工作轨迹
那就完美了

美国人喜欢谈梦想，谈包袱，谈责任，而且喜欢说回报社会
所以不纯粹基于个人所求得那些GOAL其实都可以包装得很有深度

sweetbecky

哈哈，楼主有点意思，几个问题：
1. 辍学，拿到学位了吗？
2. 消费品，3年多都在中国，why career goal是在美国开设项目？
3. 消费行业，why发达国家而不是发展中国家？
4. even你选这个career goal，我觉得只能算是一个objective，而不是goal，哈哈，更不是Harvard所说的career ambition，或者Stanford的what matters most，或者Duke所说的leader of consequence

一点建议：
好好准备career goal，这可是致命的哦！我一直认为career goal的最高境界和衡量标准就是是吉姆科林斯所说的刺猬理论：有需求、有能力、有影响（具体参见《基业长青》）

-- by 会员 justgoahead (2012/6/18 16:31:29)

哈哈哈哈，谢谢谢谢。非常感谢。

非常不理解您的第四条。希望您再具体的帮忙解释一下。因为确实没有接触过申请MBA之前。GMAT也是刚刚考出来。您给点意见会很有帮助！！

Q&A
1. 辍学，拿到学位了吗？
A:没拿到国内211/985的学位或者毕业证。但是相应的，我大三从这个大学交流去法国Top10商学院，拿到了那边的一个正规的Bachelor of Business Administration (BBA)的学位。
2. 消费品，3年多都在中国，why career goal是在美国开设项目？
A：可能您有点误会了。不是自己在那边开设项目，而是有很大的可能性，去参与一个国内很大的公司在美国开设的新项目，主攻商务拓展这块。
3. 消费行业，why发达国家而不是发展中国家？
A：中国是NIGHTMARE模式！！！太累了！！！
4. even你选这个career goal，我觉得只能算是一个objective，而不是goal，哈哈，更不是Harvard所说的career ambition，或者Stanford的what matters most，或者Duke所说的leader of consequence
A：完全不太明白您这儿说的区别。。。。不理解。。。。您能再解释下马

-- by 会员 weidehou (2012/6/19 16:20:31)

1. 总算有个学位，恭喜，哈哈，不过要additional essay解释关于辍学的事儿，您可千万别说向比尔盖茨学习，千万别~
2. ok的，so你在美国读MBA有的事情做了，比如network一下啊啥的哈。make sense。不过ad com倒要想了，hmm，有这样的公司吗？你这样的就业靠谱么？最好说清楚哦。
3. 哇，就因为发展不下去了，所以求变啊，就因为求变，所以有机会啊，你这话不是狠狠的扇了几个大佬的耳光吗？刘强东肯定骂死你了。哈哈。
4. career goal，不是job goal，您那个顶多是个job，您说您费半天劲读个mba，就为了开几个项目？哈哈，这也太。。。所以，career的目标一定要有高度，高度，您懂的~

总体而言，您对职业的想法是：
A）比较怪的，但容易遭到ad com的质疑，中国人，积累了中国的经验，面对着中国市场的机会，不去大展宏图，却希望帮着中国企业到美国来折腾。恩。反正我是要想一想的，亲~
B）不够高度的（我的感觉）

-- by 会员 justgoahead (2012/6/22 13:42:31)

justgoahead

哈哈，楼主有点意思，几个问题：
1. 辍学，拿到学位了吗？
2. 消费品，3年多都在中国，why career goal是在美国开设项目？
3. 消费行业，why发达国家而不是发展中国家？
4. even你选这个career goal，我觉得只能算是一个objective，而不是goal，哈哈，更不是Harvard所说的career ambition，或者Stanford的what matters most，或者Duke所说的leader of consequence

一点建议：
好好准备career goal，这可是致命的哦！我一直认为career goal的最高境界和衡量标准就是是吉姆科林斯所说的刺猬理论：有需求、有能力、有影响（具体参见《基业长青》）

-- by 会员 justgoahead (2012/6/18 16:31:29)

哈哈哈哈，谢谢谢谢。非常感谢。

非常不理解您的第四条。希望您再具体的帮忙解释一下。因为确实没有接触过申请MBA之前。GMAT也是刚刚考出来。您给点意见会很有帮助！！

Q&A
1. 辍学，拿到学位了吗？
A:没拿到国内211/985的学位或者毕业证。但是相应的，我大三从这个大学交流去法国Top10商学院，拿到了那边的一个正规的Bachelor of Business Administration (BBA)的学位。
2. 消费品，3年多都在中国，why career goal是在美国开设项目？
A：可能您有点误会了。不是自己在那边开设项目，而是有很大的可能性，去参与一个国内很大的公司在美国开设的新项目，主攻商务拓展这块。
3. 消费行业，why发达国家而不是发展中国家？
A：中国是NIGHTMARE模式！！！太累了！！！
4. even你选这个career goal，我觉得只能算是一个objective，而不是goal，哈哈，更不是Harvard所说的career ambition，或者Stanford的what matters most，或者Duke所说的leader of consequence
A：完全不太明白您这儿说的区别。。。。不理解。。。。您能再解释下马

-- by 会员 weidehou (2012/6/19 16:20:31)

1. 总算有个学位，恭喜，哈哈，不过要additional essay解释关于辍学的事儿，您可千万别说向比尔盖茨学习，千万别~
2. ok的，so你在美国读MBA有的事情做了，比如network一下啊啥的哈。make sense。不过ad com倒要想了，hmm，有这样的公司吗？你这样的就业靠谱么？最好说清楚哦。
3. 哇，就因为发展不下去了，所以求变啊，就因为求变，所以有机会啊，你这话不是狠狠的扇了几个大佬的耳光吗？刘强东肯定骂死你了。哈哈。
4. career goal，不是job goal，您那个顶多是个job，您说您费半天劲读个mba，就为了开几个项目？哈哈，这也太。。。所以，career的目标一定要有高度，高度，您懂的~

总体而言，您对职业的想法是：
A）比较怪的，但容易遭到ad com的质疑，中国人，积累了中国的经验，面对着中国市场的机会，不去大展宏图，却希望帮着中国企业到美国来折腾。恩。反正我是要想一想的，亲~
B）不够高度的（我的感觉）

justgoahead

背景不错～Top16很有希望，我觉得Duke会很喜欢LZ～

-- by 会员 bigjoe (2012/6/18 22:48:24)

maybe。。。（Duke grad飘过，：）