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想了解下Chicago的Financial Mathematics怎么样,请大家给点意见

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发表于 2011-3-10 10:44:45 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式
尤其想知道这个项目的就业情况,毕竟不是在NYC。如果和Columbia 的Financial Economics和Cornell 的MFE比的话大家都会怎么选?
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发表于 2011-3-10 14:09:10 | 只看该作者
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尤其想知道这个项目的就业情况,毕竟不是在NYC。如果和Columbia 的Financial Economics和Cornell 的MFE比的话大家都会怎么选?
-- by 会员 gaowei1988 (2011/3/10 10:44:45)

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columbia是新项目,没法找到就业情况,但它是在商学院,还是2年的。cornell在工学院,chicago在数学系。一般来说还是商学院里就业好。
lz是三个都拿到了吗?如果三个都拿到,应该还是先考虑columbia吧。
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发表于 2011-3-10 13:43:10 | 只看该作者
请不要忘了西北KELLOG。。。连HBS都要退让3分。。。
-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/3/10 13:28:26)


两家风格完全不同,即便是MBA,K也不是金融B-SCHOOL
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发表于 2011-3-10 13:28:26 | 只看该作者
请不要忘了西北KELLOG。。。连HBS都要退让3分。。。
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发表于 2011-3-10 13:22:04 | 只看该作者
zjuer2007,你会把想去Uchicago的同学,浇个透心凉的。。。
-- by 会员 CorCorC (2011/3/10 11:47:59)







了解一些真相至少有心理准备
-- by 会员 gaowei1988 (2011/3/10 12:22:55)







“真相”还是要综合地看吧?毕竟哪个学校都有愤青,而那篇采访只是采访了一个人。个人感觉读master,应该是专业类型>学校=地理位置吧?columbia的financial economics和cornell还有uchicago走的完全两条路,那个感觉是做学术的,而且价格惊人。学校这三所都差不多,一定要比较的话cornell是要差一点的。地理位置cornell也肯定是差的。
-- by 会员 thisisamajia (2011/3/10 12:33:43)




我同意你对master的重要性排序。但其实我觉得Chicago的课有点过于数学了,而且几乎没有flexibility。columbia的方向其实蛮灵活的,它的课程配置个人觉得除了quant外什么方向都可以去了。columbia和cornell的又是两年和1年半的,对于找工作也有个summer intern可以缓冲~所以我特别想知道chicago的placement怎么样
-- by 会员 gaowei1988 (2011/3/10 13:12:44)




反正每个人对项目重视的方向都不尽相同。我倒是觉得数学多是件好事情,master,专一些,技术一些应该更好。不过columbia的2年倒是个优势,就是它的placement是没法查,毕竟是个新项目嘛。反正uchicago个人感觉是不会差的。uchicago是金融金融类的名校,综合也是名校,而chicago是金融重镇,并且周围挑不出能和uchicago抗膀子的学校,不像nyc。。。
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发表于 2011-3-10 13:19:58 | 只看该作者
我同意你对master的重要性排序。但其实我觉得Chicago的课有点过于数学了,而且几乎没有flexibility。columbia的方向其实蛮灵活的,它的课程配置个人觉得除了quant外什么方向都可以去了。columbia和cornell的又是两年和1年半的,对于找工作也有个summer intern可以缓冲~所以我特别想知道chicago的placement怎么样
-- by 会员 gaowei1988 (2011/3/10 13:12:44)



网上不是有09届chicago msfm的就业数据么,看起来还不错啊
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-10 13:12:44 | 只看该作者
zjuer2007,你会把想去Uchicago的同学,浇个透心凉的。。。
-- by 会员 CorCorC (2011/3/10 11:47:59)




了解一些真相至少有心理准备
-- by 会员 gaowei1988 (2011/3/10 12:22:55)




“真相”还是要综合地看吧?毕竟哪个学校都有愤青,而那篇采访只是采访了一个人。个人感觉读master,应该是专业类型>学校=地理位置吧?columbia的financial economics和cornell还有uchicago走的完全两条路,那个感觉是做学术的,而且价格惊人。学校这三所都差不多,一定要比较的话cornell是要差一点的。地理位置cornell也肯定是差的。
-- by 会员 thisisamajia (2011/3/10 12:33:43)

我同意你对master的重要性排序。但其实我觉得Chicago的课有点过于数学了,而且几乎没有flexibility。columbia的方向其实蛮灵活的,它的课程配置个人觉得除了quant外什么方向都可以去了。columbia和cornell的又是两年和1年半的,对于找工作也有个summer intern可以缓冲~所以我特别想知道chicago的placement怎么样
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发表于 2011-3-10 12:34:25 | 只看该作者
看见课程觉得真的好难学啊。。。我去。。全是硬骨头。。要去的同学做好准备了。。
-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/3/10 11:48:44)




NYU也简单不哪儿去,内容差不多其实
-- by 会员 CorCorC (2011/3/10 11:49:50)



本以为FM和FE没啥区别。。其实看了课程还是有些的区别的。。我觉得FM貌似很理论啊。。反正我数学也没好到那程度。。。拿个难看的GPA反而倒霉了。。

膜拜各位读金数的牛人。。。
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发表于 2011-3-10 12:33:43 | 只看该作者
zjuer2007,你会把想去Uchicago的同学,浇个透心凉的。。。
-- by 会员 CorCorC (2011/3/10 11:47:59)



了解一些真相至少有心理准备
-- by 会员 gaowei1988 (2011/3/10 12:22:55)



“真相”还是要综合地看吧?毕竟哪个学校都有愤青,而那篇采访只是采访了一个人。个人感觉读master,应该是专业类型>学校=地理位置吧?columbia的financial economics和cornell还有uchicago走的完全两条路,那个感觉是做学术的,而且价格惊人。学校这三所都差不多,一定要比较的话cornell是要差一点的。地理位置cornell也肯定是差的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-10 12:28:38 | 只看该作者
一个关于chicago msfm的采访:(转)

This review was submitted on 2/10/2010 at 8:35:22 by a student who studied full-time in the program from 9/2007-6/2008*

Can you tell us a bit about your background?
B.S. Engineering Physics (High Honors), University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2002
B.S. Computer Science (Highest Honors), University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2002
Five years of IT and software development

Did you get admitted to other programs?
Yes; NYC Courant’s Mathematics in Finance and Carnegie Mellon’s MS Computational Finance

Why did you choose this program (over others, if applicable)?
Short duration, lower cost of program and of living, reputed heavy mathematical focus.

Tell us about the application process at this program
Online application. Had to submit GRE General test scores. Went smoothly.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the accessibility of the faculty and staff?
6

Programs like Baruch MFE, UCB MFE have refresher courses for incoming students. Does this program offer such courses? How useful was it?
There were free courses offered to incoming students which were nominally “refresher” courses. In practice, these courses were survey courses in material that students were unlikely to have been exposed to. Several of them were very useful; the measure theory course conducted by Robert Fefferman was outstanding, and the finance introduction by Tim Weithers was well-done.

On a scale of 0-10, how would you grade the usefulness of these refresher courses?
8

Tell us about the courses selection in this program. Any special courses you like?
Mathematical Foundations of Option Pricing – excellent
Numerical Methods – excellent
Statistical Risk Management
Stochastic Calculus
Data Analysis And Statistics – disastrously bad
Topics in Economics – well-taught, but questionably relevant
Portfolio Theory and Risk Management – good
Foreign Exchange
Fixed Income Derivatives – wildly mixed quality depending on presenter
Advanced Option Pricing
C# Programming (optional)

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the flexibility of the curriculum?
3

Tell us about the quality of teaching
Teaching quality ranged from very competent to insultingly poor.

On the “competent” end, Roger Lee deserves particular commendation for his course preparation and delivery in Mathematical Foundations of Option Pricing and Numerical Methods. The design and delivery of both courses was absolutely meticulous and well thought-out. Other instructors who deserve positive mention include: Paul Staneski and John Zerolis (Portfolio Theory), Lida Doloc (Fixed Income Derivatives), and Jostein Paulsen (Stochastic Calculus, Statistical Risk Management).

Sadly, there were also several instructors who did not appear to feel it necessary to assemble a coherent syllabus or present their material in an understandable fashion to the students in their classes. Chief among these was Per Mykland, who “taught” the Data Analysis and Statistics course (and I believe in most years teaches stochastic calculus as well). His lectures were very rough surveys of material which was inaccessible and unknown to most of the students in the course. Generally, no supplementary reference texts were mentioned to provide comprehensible explanations of the topics covered, and his lecture notes were filled with errors that had clearly gone uncorrected for years. Much of the final section of his notes consisted of text copied directly (save an occasional misspelling) from N.H. Chan’s _Time Series_. The material covered by the homeworks was often not addressed by the lectures; in fact, the head teaching assistant informed us in no uncertain terms that he expected most of the class to fail the second homework. The teaching assistants were often unable to help with the homeworks, leading me to believe that they frequently did not understand the material any better than we. Students did so poorly in the class that he announced his intention in the final lecture to simply give all students ‘A’s in lieu of a final exam (though he was later overruled).

Professor Mykland’s disregard for his teaching obligations is legendary; there are discussions on Wilmott Forums of his lack of concern for his audience’s comprehension all the way back in 2005 and it seems that little has changed. Unfortunately, data analysis and statistics are fundamental to financial mathematics, and for those of us who did not enter with graduate degrees in statistics, we were left woefully unprepared for the remainder of the courses (particularly stochastic calculus and statistical risk management) as well as job interviews. As a particularly pointed example, I was unclear on what a “standard error” was until I engaged in a program of self-study after his course…in which I got an A-.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the quality of teaching?
5

Materials used in the program
Primary texts included:
– Hull’s _Options, Futures, and Other Derivatives_
– Carmona’s _Statistical Analysis of Financial Data in S-Plus_
– Ingersoll’s _Theory of Financial Decision Making_
– Bjork’s _Arbitrage Theory in Continuous Time_

I also found Baxter and Rennie’s _Financial Calculus_ to be an excellent introductory text, though it was not used directly in the courses.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the practicality of the curriculum?
4

Programming component of the program
Excel, R for statistical analysis, MATLAB for numerical methods, C++ with Quantlib for some interest-rate derivatives work. The introductory programming courses were taught in C# and covered basic ASP.NET. Many of the homework assignments had a programming component.

Projects
There were few “projects” per se, though much of the homework was group work.

Career service
Unknown; I didn’t use them.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the career service for internship and full-time job?
2

Can you comment on the social interaction between students of different ethnics, nationalities in the program?
Many of the Chinese students formed a fairly tight social group, I suspect due to shared language. The remainder of the students were very outgoing and mingled and worked together freely.

What do you like about the program?
Excellent instruction in a few topics, a good reading list, U of Chicago name on the diploma, meeting a lot of great people.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the value of the program for the price tag?
3

What DON’T you like about the program?
The general disregard for the quality of education received by the students.

Suggestions for the program to make it better
– Dismiss Per Mykland.

- Solicit feedback from students to ensure that professors generally are doing a good job, and reward them or remove them accordingly.

- Ensure that professors are aware of how their courses fit into the overall curriculum. Many of them seemed unaware of what students entering their classes would and would not be expected to know.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade your experience in the program?
3

What are your current job status? What are you looking for?
I am employed by an investment bank as a software developer, and would like to find more quantitative challenges in the near future.

On a scale of 1-10, would you recommend this program to others?
2

Other comments
If you have a graduate level of statistical experience, are very comfortable with PDEs (and preferably SDEs), and are willing to put up with having to fight to learn in some classes, you could get a lot out of this program. Otherwise, I would suggest going elsewhere.
-- by 会员 zjuer2007 (2011/3/10 11:38:16)

原来对老外对这个项目评价这么低。。。想问下你是在哪里找到这个的?
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