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Although a surge in retail sales have raised hopes that there is a recovery finally under way, many economists say that without a large amount of spending the recovery might not last.

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发表于 2012-2-29 19:15:42 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
Although a surge in retail sales have raised hopes that there is a recovery finally under way, many economists say that without a large amount of spending the recovery might not last.
(A)  have raised hopes that there is a recovery finally
(B)  raised hopes for there being a recovery finally
(C)  had raised hopes for a recovery finally being
(D)  has raised hopes that a recovery is finally
(E)  raised hopes for a recovery finally
question1:OG的说法:It is superfluous and pointless to say that people hope both that  there is  a recovery and that such a recovery is underway . 可以详细说下么?
为啥?
question2E)For a recovery fi nally is awkward and—to the extent that it can be seen as grammatical—does not make sense.
hope for+n.我是知道的。可是hope for a recovery (finally under way)...不可以么?
翻过以前的讨论稿子。。还是不清楚,谢谢大家啦
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发表于 2012-2-29 19:33:47 | 只看该作者
A的错误首先是主谓不一致,这是一个很大的错误,完全可以排掉了它了。至于It is superfluous and pointless to say that people hope both that  there is  a recovery and that such a recovery is underway .我感觉就是there be这个句型的问题。首先它是表示一种客观存在(manhattan上有讲),hope是一种希望,类似于虚拟了,不会虚拟出一种客观存在来的。此次,你刚才是问OG上说得是啥意思吧?我觉着这句话如果单挑出来看就是:there  is a recovery ,同时又在强调是一种under way的recovery。所以Og才那么解释。。。

至于E,我想说的是,hope 后面加这种长成分,最好用that 从句。介宾这个结构本身就是存在歧义,因为你不知道那个finally under way是说的hope 还是recovery
板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2012-2-29 21:27:35 | 只看该作者
顶起。。来人
地板
发表于 2012-2-29 21:57:13 | 只看该作者
Although a surge in retail sales have raised hopes that there is a recovery finally under way, many economists say that without a large amount of spending the recovery might not last.
(A)  have raised hopes that there is a recovery finally
(B)  raised hopes for there being a recovery finally
(C)  had raised hopes for a recovery finally being
(D)  has raised hopes that a recovery is finally
(E)  raised hopes for a recovery finally
question1:OG的说法:It is superfluous and pointless to say that people hope both that  there is  a recovery and that such a recovery is underway . 可以详细说下么?
为啥?

                     GMAC认为 there is a recovery finally under way.
                                       等于    there is a recovery
                                       加上     such a recovery is underway
谢谢呀,我终于明白为什么GMAC不待见 there be 句式了。

question2E)For a recovery fi nally is awkward and—to the extent that it can be seen as grammatical—does not make sense.
hope for+n.我是知道的。可是hope for a recovery (finally under way)...不可以么?
翻过以前的讨论稿子。。还是不清楚,谢谢大家啦
-- by 会员 qiuhua01234567 (2012/2/29 19:15:42)


GMAC认为E的表达 虽然从某种程度上将合乎语法,但是它还是觉得 awkward and does not make sense.


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发表于 2012-2-29 22:10:25 | 只看该作者
题外话,楼主的头像和签名,在说话呢。告诉大家,年轻是应该张扬的,年轻真好呀。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-2-29 22:12:01 | 只看该作者
题外话,楼主的头像和签名,在说话呢。告诉大家,年轻是应该张扬的,年轻真好呀。
-- by 会员 wangjieava23 (2012/2/29 22:10:25)


谢谢解释啊,待会仔细看看,UMM...我要好好抓紧时间了。。也老大不小了。。。默默流泪
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发表于 2012-2-29 22:17:38 | 只看该作者
意思上来看,后面有说不会last,说明raise hope不是短暂的动作而是已经发生并持续到现在的,但是至于能持续多久,经济学家觉得不会很久.同时,hope for a recovery finally under way的意思是激起了人们对于复苏终于在快要来了的希望,从中文的逻辑和意思上就很不合理...
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-1 17:54:37 | 只看该作者
意思上来看,后面有说不会last,说明raise hope不是短暂的动作而是已经发生并持续到现在的,但是至于能持续多久,经济学家觉得不会很久.同时,hope for a recovery finally under way的意思是激起了人们对于复苏终于在快要来了的希望,从中文的逻辑和意思上就很不合理...
-- by 会员 lyx6117 (2012/2/29 22:17:38)


说到底是时态问题?难怪awkward..
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-1 17:58:28 | 只看该作者
A的错误首先是主谓不一致,这是一个很大的错误,完全可以排掉了它了。至于It is superfluous and pointless to say that people hope both that  there is  a recovery and that such a recovery is underway .我感觉就是there be这个句型的问题。首先它是表示一种客观存在(manhattan上有讲),hope是一种希望,类似于虚拟了,不会虚拟出一种客观存在来的。此次,你刚才是问OG上说得是啥意思吧?我觉着这句话如果单挑出来看就是:there  is a recovery ,同时又在强调是一种under way的recovery。所以Og才那么解释。。。

至于E,我想说的是,hope 后面加这种长成分,最好用that 从句。介宾这个结构本身就是存在歧义,因为你不知道那个finally under way是说的hope 还是recovery
-- by 会员 mahaofei001 (2012/2/29 19:33:47)


难怪会superfluous和pointless.是现实和虚拟的矛盾吧?
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-1 17:58:50 | 只看该作者
Although a surge in retail sales have raised hopes that there is a recovery finally under way, many economists say that without a large amount of spending the recovery might not last.
(A)  have raised hopes that there is a recovery finally
(B)  raised hopes for there being a recovery finally
(C)  had raised hopes for a recovery finally being
(D)  has raised hopes that a recovery is finally
(E)  raised hopes for a recovery finally
question1:OG的说法:It is superfluous and pointless to say that people hope both that  there is  a recovery and that such a recovery is underway . 可以详细说下么?
为啥?

                     GMAC认为 there is a recovery finally under way.
                                       等于    there is a recovery
                                       加上     such a recovery is underway
谢谢呀,我终于明白为什么GMAC不待见 there be 句式了。

question2E)For a recovery fi nally is awkward and—to the extent that it can be seen as grammatical—does not make sense.
hope for+n.我是知道的。可是hope for a recovery (finally under way)...不可以么?
翻过以前的讨论稿子。。还是不清楚,谢谢大家啦
-- by 会员 qiuhua01234567 (2012/2/29 19:15:42)



GMAC认为E的表达 虽然从某种程度上将合乎语法,但是它还是觉得 awkward and does not make sense.


-- by 会员 wangjieava23 (2012/2/29 21:57:13)


豁然开朗。多谢。
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