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长江 VS 中欧:教授大比拼。 大家有何评论?

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楼主
发表于 2004-3-12 09:54:00 | 只看该作者

长江 VS 中欧:教授大比拼。 大家有何评论?

沙发
发表于 2004-3-12 10:07:00 | 只看该作者
陶志刚也是香港大学的副教授罗?那港大也不错的罗?呵呵~~~
板凳
发表于 2004-3-16 17:58:00 | 只看该作者
长江那一套宣传我是很厌恶的……


实在不大相信李先生投资的学校……商业性质太重了,我觉得中欧会好很多

地板
发表于 2004-3-16 18:44:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用julia_722在2004-3-16 17:58:00的发言:
长江那一套宣传我是很厌恶的……



实在不大相信李先生投资的学校……商业性质太重了,我觉得中欧会好很多






我在来往北京机场的路上和在飞机上读的杂志,都看到了长江的影子


我不知道长江哪点惹你不爽,不过我始终相信,更多更好的MBA schools是我们的福音,都搞成中欧那样我反而觉得是咱们的。。。


你了解项兵吗?


我可不是长江的托,哈哈,我对它也有怀疑

5#
发表于 2004-3-22 15:03:00 | 只看该作者
听过项兵的讲座,也从老师,媒体那里得到些侧面了解,我的感觉:


是不是亚太区最高身价的会计教授我姑且不论,因为他的讲座没有涉及会计方面的知识,单纯从他对国内的了解和他表述问题的方式以及整体讲座的思路来说,夸夸其谈但言之无物,太爱下结论且喜欢做秀,李嘉诚怎么找他做院长我一直搞不清楚


    


    

6#
发表于 2004-3-22 20:58:00 | 只看该作者
我的感觉:项根本没有国内外一流大学的学历和教职,(毕业与加拿大二流大学)靠他领导长江十年之内世界前十,真感觉中国人又放了一次卫星。
7#
发表于 2004-3-22 21:12:00 | 只看该作者
项兵在香港中大升教授无望之后,才投奔北大,不了北大光华又被厉以宁人马把持,接任EMBA主任后又因为招生不力(据说学校不拨给经费以promotion)更无望。走投无路的时候,李先生要办长江的消息入耳,他就自告奋勇了。所谓李嘉诚找他的说法,纯属杜撰,但得到李先生的默许,因为对长江促销有好处,要不然显得CKGSB多没水准。



但是,我毫不怀疑李先生的勇气和精神。值得一提的是,李先生虽发家香港,但对本港捐资有限,奇怪的是对内地教育出力很大,单是汕头大学,就花去亿万家产。





[此贴子已经被作者于2004-3-22 23:39:16编辑过]
8#
发表于 2004-3-22 21:39:00 | 只看该作者
其实李先生据说对长江的现状不是很满意。长江创立的时候,立下军令状,称五年亚洲第一,十年世界前十。办了一年,差点连国家的办学许可都没有拿到,更别提学位了。由于国家对境外办学限制严格,后来只好把汕大拉上,充作本土,要知道李先生对汕大在内地的知名度及认可度也很清楚,但这是不是办法的办法。


后来,长江就务实多了,不再一味的吹几年几年的喊跟“赶超英美”口号似的。


长江最大的问题,和中欧类似,缺乏教授。创办之初,长江目标是一年内找15-20个左右的世界管理大师级的人物,但是项的看法是:有李先生的号召力,有那么多钱,招人还不容易?这个目标现在看来不大现实。假如把外校支援的郎咸平教授,陈志武教授,李乐德教授姑且称为“世界大师”的话,那么到目前为止,才只有三个大师加盟,而长江办了已经近一年半了。


问题是,内地热炒的郎咸平教授,在香港中大也就是个讲座教授而已,和他一起牛气的,光是会计财务系,就有好几个。所以,师资---这一长江当初的卖点之一----也成问题。


我们当然希望,国内能出现几个wharton这样的学校,这样我中华男儿就不用受ETS的欺负,荷兰人的烂气之类的了,中国的产业也有了新的希望。但是,我们作事要有章法,毕竟放卫星的时代早已离去!


希望长江能够吸取教训,脚踏实地,和其他学校一道,为我国管理教育,开辟一条血路!

9#
发表于 2004-6-26 19:27:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用kurt_un在2004-3-22 21:39:00的发言:
我们当然希望,国内能出现几个wharton这样的学校,这样我中华男儿就不用受ETS的欺负,荷兰人的烂气之类的了,中国的产业也有了新的希望。但是,我们作事要有章法,毕竟放卫星的时代早已离去!
希望长江能够吸取教训,脚踏实地,和其他学校一道,为我国管理教育,开辟一条血路!

不错,创建一流的商学院需要超常的努力。尽管很艰难,CKGSB还是在逐步吸引一流的教授加盟。下面是一位朋友转来的文章,作者是从斯坦福商学院来的刚加盟长江:黄明教授。http://www.ckgsb.edu.cn/chinese/index.php?l1=facultyresearch&content_id=1



  加 盟 长 江 / Joining CKGSB



一直以来我始终相信,我最终将回到我的祖国并投入到祖国快速增长的管理教育事业中。在美国生活了19年后,我于今年4月终于决定回国。在中国所有的商学院中,我毫不犹豫地选择了加入长江商学院,因为我相信,长江商学院最有可能成为中国的世界级商学院。



I always knew that I would eventually come back to my home country to participate in China’s exciting growth in business education. After living in the US for nineteen years, I finally made the decision to come back in April this year. Among all the business schools in China, I chose to join CKGSB without hesitation. My choice was based on my belief that Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business (CKGSB) has the best chance to be a world-class business school in China.



在中国什么样的商学院可以称为世界级的呢?在我看来,最重要的标准是它的教授群体不仅在国际商业学术研究方面,而且在中国商业问题方面都是被高度承认的专家。一个顶级商学院的首要使命是通过学术研究产生新的管理思想和管理知识,并通过教学提供其学生宝贵的学习经历。管理知识是有两面性的。一部分管理知识是国际所通用的;而另外一些管理知识,是具体针对于某个国家或某种环境的,这是管理学与数学物理等世界通用型学科的重大区别之一。只有那些中西贯通,也就是对国际通用的管理原则及中国国情都有着深刻理解的教授才能针对中国具体管理问题研究出有深度的新思想,并满足中国管理教育市场的不断增长的需求。这种需求既来自于管理日益全球化的中国企业的高层管理者,也来自于对于中国市场有兴趣的跨国企业的高层管理者。



What kind of Chinese business schools can claim themselves to be world-class? In my view, the most important criterion for a world-class business school is that its professors must be highly recognized experts both in international business academic research and in China-related business issues. The central mission of a top business school should be to generate new ideas and new knowledge on business management through research, and to provide its students a valuable educational experience through teaching. There are two sides to management knowledge. Some management knowledge is valid --- and shared --- globally; and some management knowledge, unlike in fields such as mathematics and physics, is country-specific or environment-specific. Only professors who have a deep understanding of both types of knowledge can generate new and deep ideas about management issues in China, and to meet the increasing demand in China’s business education market --- both for Chinese executives who need to manage in an increasingly global economy, and for international executives with interest in China.



我们建立一支世界级教授团队的策略是在世界范围内寻找在一流商学院有丰富的研究教学经验的教授,并把他们吸引到长江商学院长驻。通过在国外多年刻苦的学术研究和大量的针对公司的咨询实践,这些教授对国际管理实践有着深刻的理解。而通过长驻中国,这些教授从国际视角对中国商业问题的理解也不断深入。我们相信这是发展一支学贯中西的世界级教授队伍的唯一可行的途径。


CKGSB’s strategy of building its faculty team is to identify world-class professors with extensive research and teaching experience at top-tier business schools around the world, and to attract them to join us permanently. These professors have a deep understanding of international management practice not only through many years of rigorous academic research, but also through extensive consulting practice and executive teaching. By staying in China permanently, they develop an understanding of China-related business issues at a deep level from an international perspective. We believe that this is the only feasible strategy that can develop a world-class faculty team with expertise in global as well as China-related business issues.



吸引顶尖的学者不是简单的事情。在这方面,长江商学院是目前在亚洲做的最成功的商学院之一。我们的教授曾任教于沃顿,斯坦福,耶鲁,芝加哥大学,欧洲商学院,加州大学伯克利分校,加州大学洛杉矶分校,卡耐基梅隆,英属哥伦比亚大学,北卡罗莱纳大学,波士顿大学;还来自于香港和新加坡地区的顶尖商学院。我们当中的一些教授,诸如项兵,郎咸平,曾鸣,齐大庆等等在中国管理问题研究中已经取得了很大的成就;而我们其他的教授正在进行中国管理问题的学术研究。长江教授团队的这种超强的力量是我加入长江商学院的一个很重要的理由。



Attracting top scholars from around the world is not easy. In this regard, by far, CKGSB is one of the most successful among business schools in Asia. Our professors have had research and teaching experience at top schools like Wharton, Stanford, Yale, University of Chicago, INSEAD, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Carnegie Mellon, University of British Columbia, University of North Carolina, Boston University, and top business schools in Hong Kong and Singapore, etc. Many of our professors, e.g., XIANG Bing, Larry LANG, ZENG Ming, QI Daqing, have already developed great expertise in China-related business issues. Others are developing ambitious research programs on China-related issues. The exceptional strength of our existing faculty team is one of the important reasons that I joined CKGSB.



那么为什么长江商学院能够在世界范围内吸引到一流的华裔学者呢?最重要的原因是,作为一家独立的商学院,长江的治学理念是教授治校。这种制度总的来说能够导致好的决策过程,并尤其能够保证将来加入教授的质量。当然,李嘉诚基金会的慷慨支持也使长江商学院能够提供给世界级教授良好的研究与教学环境。



Why has CKGSB been successful in attracting top Chinese scholars from around the world? The most important reason is that, as an independent business school, our governance philosophy is that our faculty team together acts as the decision maker. This system, in general, supports good decision making, and in particular ensures the quality of recruitment of all future faculty members. Of course, the generous support of the Li Ka-Shing Foundation also made it possible for CKGSB to provide the necessary research and teaching environment for world-class scholars.



成为一所顶尖商学院的另外一个标准是它的学员群体质量,包括个人质量和校友网络的质量。毕竟学员加入商学院的一个很重要的原因是加入一个有助于发展友谊和合作的网络。在这个层面上,长江商学院独特的办学理念和文化又起到一个很强的促进作用。首先,世界级的教授团队更能够吸引到高质量的学生。其次,长期教授更加能够专注于教学,从而使学生得到宝贵的学习经历。最重要的是,长江商学院所提倡的社会责任感和回报社会的独特文化使全体学生,教授和员工紧密地结合在一起。就是在这些原因的作用下,仅仅用两年时间,长江商学院在吸引高质量学员并培养学员网络凝聚力方面取得了很大的成功。



Another key criterion for a top business school is the quality of its student body --- both in individual quality and in network strength. After all, one of the important reasons that students enroll in business schools is to join a strong network for collaboration and friendship. Here again, CKGSB’s unique philosophy and culture can play an important role. First, world-class professors are more likely to attract high-quality students. Secondly, permanent faculty members have more incentive to be dedicated to their teaching, which leads to a more valuable and pleasant learning experience for all students. Permanent faculty members can also serve as important nodes in the network of all CKGSB students of different programs and different years. Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, CKGSB’s unique culture of promoting social responsibility and contribution to society serves as a powerful uniting force among all of its students, faculty, and administrative staff. For these reasons, over merely two years, CKGSB has enjoyed great success both in attracting high-quality students and in building a very cohesive network among them.



我经常听到的一个担忧是因为长江商学院的历史很短,我们还没有足够大的校友网络。我的观点是网络的强大与否不是来自于它的大小,而是来自于它的凝聚力。3年前,斯坦福商学院(在过去的6年中我一直在这所商学院教学)的学生和校友们强烈要求院方维持每年招收360名学员,而不是象其它(如哈佛与沃顿)的顶尖商学院那样每年招收800名以上学员。这是因为斯坦福商学院的学生一向有很强的凝聚力,因为学生的数量很少而且他们可以亲密的交往。相反,我任教过两年的芝加哥商学院的学生并没有形成一个像斯坦福学生那样强的凝聚力,其部分原因就是他们(包括半工半读)学生的数量大到如此之程度以至于学生以此作为与其他学生不相熟的借口。



One concern that I frequently hear of is that, because of its short history, CKGSB does not yet have an extensive network of students. My view is that the strength of a network comes not from its large size, but rather from its cohesiveness. Three years ago, the students and alumni of Stanford Business School, where I have been teaching for the last six years, overwhelmingly supported the decision to keep the size of its MBA students at 360 per year, rather than to increase the size to the typical level of around 800 per year (as in other top schools such as Harvard and Wharton). The reason is that Stanford students have always formed a very cohesive network exactly because the size is small and intimate. In comparison, students at University of Chicago Business School, where I taught for two years, do not have as strong a network as in Stanford, in part because the student size at Chicago is so large that students feel that they have an excuse to not get to know fellow students.


据我的观察,在我在美国,日本和中国所教过的所有学生中,长江商学院的EMBAMBA学生是最有凝聚力的。我们的理念,我们的文化,我们的创业精神已经被渗入到我们所有的学生,教师和员工中并形成了主人翁的精神。所以我们不但感受到我们属于长江商学院,我们还感受到长江商学院也是属于我们的。这种精神使得长江商学院成为一所真正独特的院校。



Based on my own observation, among all of the students that I have taught over the years in the US, Japan, and China, the EMBA and MBA students at CKGSB are the most cohesive. Our philosophy, our culture, and our entrepreneurism in business education have instilled in all of our students, faculty, and staff a sense of ownership. We not only feel that we belong to CKGSB, we also feel that CKGSB belongs to us. This spirit makes CKGSB a truly unique institution.



最近,我不断地把我的一些新感受告诉给我的朋友和家人。在今年34月份当我考虑加入长江商学院的时候,我更关注的是这所学院的将来,它的教授团队,员工和学员的质量,以及它的学术研究和教学环境。而在长江商学院工作一个多月以后,我现在深深感受到这是一份能够让我激情投入的工作。我们当中的许多人觉得我们实际上是在为一个伟大的事业在工作 --- 我们正在努力为中国建立一所世界级的商学院。中国经济在世界经济中的影响越来越大,中国需要,而且必须需要一所或者更多的世界级商学院来培养中国未来的商界领袖。为什么我们不应该是那些建立这所学院的人呢?无疑,前方的道路充满着障碍和挑战,但是我深信,我们的荣誉感,我们的热情以及我们的坚持不懈最终有一天会带领着我们到达我们珍贵的目标。


                             


Lately, I have been making the following observation to my friends and family. In March and April, when I was thinking about joining CKGSB, I was mostly focused on the future of the school, the strength of its faculty, staff, and students, and its research and teaching environment. After spending more than one month at CKGSB, I now feel that this is by far the job for which I have the most passion. Many of us in CKGSB feel that we are truly working for a great cause --- we are working hard to build a world-class business school in China. As China gains more and more prominence in the world economy, China needs to, and must, have one or more world-class business school(s) which can provide the needed training and education for its future business leaders. Why shouldn’t we be the ones who build such a school? The journey will no doubt be filled with obstacles and challenges, but I am confident that our sense of pride, our enthusiasm, and our persistence will one day lead us to our cherished goal.





10#
发表于 2004-6-26 23:53:00 | 只看该作者

“其实李先生据说对长江的现状不是很满意。长江创立的时候,立下军令状,称五年亚洲第一,十年世界前十。”

这是一个头脑清醒的人说的话么?真是怀疑。

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