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楼主
发表于 2005-2-2 02:18:00 | 只看该作者

OG187 VS OG199


偶看过了之前的讨论帖子,下面是偶的疑问


187. In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.


(A)  Americans were killed as


(B)  Americans were killed than


(C)  Americans were killed than those who


(D)  more Americans were killed as there


(E)  more Americans were killed as those who


Choice A, the best answer, is the only option that accurately expresses the comparison by using the idiomatic form as many... as. In B and C, as many ... than is unidiomatic, and in C and E, those who is a wordy intrusion. In D and E, more is redundant because the phrase four times as many in the original sentence conveys the idea of more.



这道题可以用 four times as many as 找到答案 ( A )



以前的讨论帖上说用不着补出 those是因为as 是代词



那么 188这道题的as会不会产生如199题代词指代同一人()


的问题呢?



199. Because the Earth's crust is more solid there and thus better able to transmit shock waves, an earthquake of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it does in the West.


(A)  of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it does in the West


(B)  of a given magnitude will typically devastate 100 times the area if it occurs in the eastern United States instead of the West


(C)  will typically devastate 100 times the area in the eastern United States than one of comparable magnitude occurring in the West


(D)  in the eastern United States will typically devastate an area 100 times greater than will a quake of comparable magnitude occurring in the West


(E)  that occurs in the eastern United States will typically devastate 100 times more area than if it occurred with comparable magnitude in the West


At issue is the accurate expression of a complex comparison. Choice D, the best answer, presents the proper form of comparison, will typically devastate an area 100 times greater than will; thus, choice D logically indicates that earthquakes in the eastern United States are 100 times more devastating than are western earthquakes. Choices A, B, and E use it incorrectly to suggest that the same quake strikes both the eastern and the western United States. In choice C, 700 times the area... than is unidiomatic.



请大家指点,谢谢

沙发
发表于 2005-2-2 03:13:00 | 只看该作者

楼主gg的意思不是很明白,  是不是要在199题中用as指代a quake of comparable magnitude?

187是..as many as.. 比较,199是..greater than ..比较,后者好像不曾见greater than .. as,  即使有见..greater than those...用法,在199题中也不能用这类代词指代,因为"东西方发生的地震是不同的两次地震",用了代词就有歧异东方的地震又跑到西方害人了!  大家讨论,共同学习!

板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2005-2-2 18:09:00 | 只看该作者

不是的mm!, 偶的意思是, 199题里的地震会让人



误解为同一个地震,188题里的Americans



会不会让人误解为Civil War D-Day 里阵亡的是同一批人啊?






另外 , 199 里提到的地震,倘若在文章里第二次提到(一个相似


的东西),




one 是不是比 a quake好呢?



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地板
发表于 2005-2-2 18:36:00 | 只看该作者

我觉得187确实会让人感觉American指同一批人. 但是这题主要考点是as...as, 也没有更好的选择. 关于as做代词, 我一直不太能接受, 我觉得应该是省略. (many Americans were killed as (Americans) would later)

我觉得199用a quake更清晰.

5#
发表于 2005-2-4 21:59:00 | 只看该作者

因为187里面的 Americans没有任何修饰语限定语,是一个广泛的概念,所以省略的话不至于误解为Civil War D-Day 里阵亡的是同一批人,除非用they来指代。four times as many Americans were killed as(they) would later be killed.这样才会产生楼主所认为的误解。一个更简单的例子:In general, people are better educated than (people were) twenty years ago.

而199里面的quake,因为有介词短语来限定修饰,所以用it指代的时候,逻辑意思有误。因为it/they指代的前面名词词组本身,包括修饰语;而that/those指代的是前面名词词组的中心词,不包括修饰语。

事实上这2道题也是SC中2个很典型的考点:比较对象(指代)问题和比较中的省略问题
187:比较中的省略:当比较的2部分有完全相同的成分(如比较对象相同等)(仅仅是形式上完全相同,不必追究是否同一批或者完全一样的动作内涵,如187中americans),且省略后不至于引起歧义的时候,应该尽量省略。

1、比较对象(主语)相同省略,见187。当然也有人认为此时as/than也作代词用,但我同lilyzy一样,更愿意认为是省略。

比较对象(指代)问题(此时比较对象多为比较复杂的带修饰语的名词词组),这种错误往往用2中方法来改正:用that/those指代前面的中心词a quake或者用199中的办法--用同样的中心词(a quake)+限定修饰语来表达;直接用it/they指代是很典型的错误。

6#
发表于 2005-2-4 22:34:00 | 只看该作者
同意而今迈步从头越 对american的解释.
7#
 楼主| 发表于 2005-2-5 00:11:00 | 只看该作者

看来mm从头越 , 已经走很长一段了,


偶等得加快脚步

8#
发表于 2005-5-18 05:17:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用而今迈步从头越在2005-2-4 21:59:00的发言:

因为187里面的 Americans没有任何修饰语限定语,是一个广泛的概念,所以省略的话不至于误解为Civil War D-Day 里阵亡的是同一批人,除非用they来指代。four times as many Americans were killed as(they) would later be killed.这样才会产生楼主所认为的误解。一个更简单的例子:In general, people are better educated than (people were) twenty years ago.


而199里面的quake,因为有介词短语来限定修饰,所以用it指代的时候,逻辑意思有误。因为it/they指代的前面名词词组本身,包括修饰语;而that/those指代的是前面名词词组的中心词,不包括修饰语。


事实上这2道题也是SC中2龊艿湫偷目嫉悖罕冉隙韵螅ㄖ复?┪侍夂捅冉现械氖÷晕侍?lt;/b>
187:比较中的省略:当比较的2部分有完全相同的成分(如比较对象相同等)(仅仅是形式上完全相同,不必追究是否同一批或者完全一样的动作内涵,如187中americans),且省略后不至于引起歧义的时候,应该尽量省略。


1、比较对象(主语)相同省略,见187。当然也有人认为此时as/than也作代词用,但我同lilyzy一样,更愿意认为是省略。


比较对象(指代)问题(此时比较对象多为比较复杂的带修饰语的名词词组),这种错误往往用2中方法来改正:用that/those指代前面的中心词a quake或者用199中的办法--用同样的中心词(a quake)+限定修饰语来表达;直接用it/they指代是很典型的错误。



谢谢今迈步从头越 MM,你的解释总是很精辟!你的帖我必拜读!
9#
发表于 2005-7-16 22:07:00 | 只看该作者

我觉得你对og199的总结好像有点问题

在more...than结构中,对于than后的比较对象的指代你说用 it 和 they指代是典型错误可是198题中,og 的解释中就说如果than后面改成it had had 就是对的,那这里不就是 用it而不是that指代了前面的army了?


请指教

10#
发表于 2005-9-22 12:49:00 | 只看该作者

198中就是比的同一个army啊,只不过是同一个army的不同战役罢了,所以用it没错。


再问个新问题,呵呵。


199中area和100 times倍数的位置关系应该是谁先谁后啊?


AD:an area 100 times greater than..


BC:100 times (greater) the area... than


我觉得都一样,对嘛?

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