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Q:加国移民去美读书需要另外办签证吗

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发表于 2004-3-1 22:23:00 | 只看该作者

Q:加国移民去美读书需要另外办签证吗

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沙发
发表于 2004-3-1 23:18:00 | 只看该作者
unfortunately, need a visa.


if you are a citizen of Canada, no visa for enter US, but you'd better apply a visa if want to stay US with a legal status.


if you are a new immigrant, then it is very difficult to get visa in Canada unless you can prove a strong tie with Canada(house, job, ....)

板凳
发表于 2004-3-2 03:57:00 | 只看该作者
楼上这位肯定是在误导。


1。 Canada签去美国F1绝对比国内好签,我朋友去年就是这样签过去的,没有financial aid, 自费,单身女孩子,来加才1年多,这样的案子在北京绝对是很难签过的那种,但是我知道她签证时(在toronto)的interview才10分钟,VO很爽快就签了,最关键的是只要你跟VO阐述清楚你去美国的目的是education,就是要去念书就行了,什么Canadian tie之类的东东纯粹是鬼话。楼上的别不服气,我说的是实情,至少我就知道好多个都是这toronto签过去的。


2。新移民去美国念书要签F1,但是只有financial ststement做好了,一般都没有问题。如果是citizen,去美国念书是不需要签证的,只需要有学校的I20就可以,过关的时候出示这个就行,呆在美国绝对合法。不信可以去美国国务院的网站上看清楚了,拜托不要误导大家。还有就是进了美国后,再回加拿大,只要不超过30天,再回美国也是不需要续签F1的,这和回中国是不一样的。


3。我准备6月份去签,现在的规定是不得早于开学前的90天去签证,不得早于开学前的30天进美国。只有不抽中安检什么的(好像business不是敏感专业),一般都没事。


Good Luck!

地板
发表于 2004-3-2 04:04:00 | 只看该作者
Yup, it's easier to get F1 in Canada than in China,     the financial statement to show you have enough money is critical.
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发表于 2004-3-2 14:53:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用uscanmba04在2004-3-2 3:57:00的发言:
楼上这位肯定是在误导。



1。 Canada签去美国F1绝对比国内好签,我朋友去年就是这样签过去的,没有financial aid, 自费,单身女孩子,来加才1年多,这样的案子在北京绝对是很难签过的那种,但是我知道她签证时(在toronto)的interview才10分钟,VO很爽快就签了,最关键的是只要你跟VO阐述清楚你去美国的目的是education,就是要去念书就行了,什么Canadian tie之类的东东纯粹是鬼话。楼上的别不服气,我说的是实情,至少我就知道好多个都是这toronto签过去的。


2。新移民去美国念书要签F1,但是只有financial ststement做好了,一般都没有问题。如果是citizen,去美国念书是不需要签证的,只需要有学校的I20就可以,过关的时候出示这个就行,呆在美国绝对合法。不信可以去美国国务院的网站上看清楚了,拜托不要误导大家。还有就是进了美国后,再回加拿大,只要不超过30天,再回美国也是不需要续签F1的,这和回中国是不一样的。


3。我准备6月份去签,现在的规定是不得早于开学前的90天去签证,不得早于开学前的30天进美国。只有不抽中安检什么的(好像business不是敏感专业),一般都没事。


Good Luck!






Wish your information is correct then I can quit my beijing job immediately since I alreday got my immigrant card one years ago. But what I posted is my feedback from my friends in Canada.


Anyway, again, i wish your information is correct!

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发表于 2004-3-2 15:50:00 | 只看该作者
这个问题是有2种说法,有的说拿加拿大绿卡(中国护照)的在加国签美国的F-1容易,但是大概的通过率是多少?


今天还听到一个在美国做律师的朋友说,加拿大美国领事官签证官的嘴脸和中国国内差不多。。。


希望更多有过实际体验的朋友参与讨论!!!


    

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发表于 2004-3-2 15:54:00 | 只看该作者
uscanmba04,



well , there are always exceptions. Please see the below post. But, so it's not wise to go to Canada in a hurry just for applying your visa.


Post a message from another website about getting F1 visa in Canada.


The link is http://www.laowei.com/experience/flower-01.htm



偶的签证一周记fficeffice" />



                                                                         希望本文能够帮助想从加拿大签证去美国读书的移民朋友们。    



                                                                     (一)



                                                                     偶在两个月前从北京以PR身份来到加拿大,在北京申请到的牛校,半奖,不过自己还要出很多的MONEY。事前的如意算盘是这里肯定好签,想想美国和加拿大是多铁的哥们儿。下了飞机就开始到处打听签证事宜,结果狂受打击。无数的人跟偶说,你肯定没戏啦。刚过来,没有工作,去了也是个死。更有N个人跟偶说,VO会让你回北京签啦。。。郁闷的要死,555~~~~



                                                                        



                                                                     在郁闷中度过了2个月,一边准备签证材料,同时把自己吓得够呛。一天到晚泡在论坛里,羡慕的看着国内的签友们热烈的讨论。因为在这里找不到一个同党,大家要签也是B1F1?没听说过。连使馆里什么样子都不清楚,只能靠印象中看到的北京使馆外观和听说的北京使馆的内部空间来想象多伦多的使馆是个啥样子。幸好临行前得网友COOL6的信息才使我不至于在签证处迷路。(感谢COOL6,送花送花~~~     那段日子,每每在大街上看到驶过的GREYHOUND,就仿佛见到了暗恋的情人,什么时候他才能带着偶驶向那幸福(或是恐怖)的另一端?



                                                                        



                                                                     在网上预约好了7189点签证。14号一早被人从梦中叫醒, 随教会去NIAGARA     FALLS一游(偶不是教友,属蹭玩的,呵呵)。原定取消了的活动临时又变主意了,是不是一个好兆头呢?



                                                                     瀑布真是壮观,大家一定要来看看呀,还不收门票,:)))))特地在著名的彩虹桥头留影,那一边就飘着星条旗。    



                                                                     (二)



                                                                     闲话少叙,终于到了日子。夜里竟然睡的很塌实,着实奇怪。吃东西肯定是吃不下,就不勉强自己了。打扮的PP的上路了。使馆离偶家不远,步行25分钟就到。还是坐有鬼电车吧。上车后一鬼妹对偶说:NICE     DRESS。偶答,THANK     YOU。心说当然NICE了,衣服还是偶们中国的又PP有便宜,哪象这里的人,个个都穿T-SHIRT短裤。。。正在想着衣服的事情,哪知就到站了。



                                                                        



                                                                     其时才815,使馆看后门的老头笑咪咪的问偶:约的几点呀?偶答,NINE。老头又问:带手机了吗?无。再问:带随声听了吗?无。还想再接着问,忙说,NOTHING。老头一句OK,偶就推门进去,开始了偶的三次使馆之旅。



                                                                        



                                                                     过了安检的黑妹妹关,又走过一条句长的走廊,终于来到了传说中象邮局的地方。有个大爷坐在门口检查护照,申请表和预约信。前面排了两个人,正待仔细观察一下室内环境,轮到偶了。大爷看了看偶的护照,说了一句,ANOTHER



    BEARUTIFUL LADAY FROM BEJING。分特,还有比偶更早的。谁让偶们中国人都是勤劳勇敢的EARLY BIRD呢?偶的照片还贴反了90度,大爷给偶示范说,下次该这么贴。偶说好,心中暗骂,这乌鸦嘴,还想让偶再来一次,哼哼。。。(谁知真给他说中,555~~~~~



                                                                        



                                                                     (三)



                                                                     没几个人签证,偶是等待的第一个。刚想看看VO们的尊容,7号灯亮,一个中年褐发微胖妇女VO刚刚落座(后来才听说她是比较TOUGH的一个),正在笑咪咪的向偶招手,连忙过去。



                                                                     Vgood morning.



                                                                     I:     morning…(刚想顺口说个SIR,忽然想起她是个LADY,硬生生的吞下去)



                                                                     Vwhat kind of visa do you want to apply?



                                                                     I:     F1.     Do you need my materials?



                                                                     V:     yes. (把材料递给她)



                                                                     V(边看边问) when did you get here?



                                                                     I:     MAY 8.



                                                                     V:     (抬头看偶,不看材料了) ohhhhhh, you are too new



                                                                     here.(偶想坏了,下面是不是就该让偶回北京签啦,忙调出大脑内存中关于这个问题的ARGUE内容,准备迎战)



                                                                     I Yes. But you can see from my LP which was signed in Jan.    



                                                                     so if I wanted, I could come here in Jan. I came here in May



                                                                     only because.(说了一堆,主题是把自己美化成一个热爱工作又富有责任心的人)



                                                                     V (耐心等偶说完)I see. But you did come here in May, too new.



                                                                     I:             (分特,只好不说话了)



                                                                     V     Are you enrolled by the universities here?



                                                                     I:             You mean, in ffice:smarttags" />Canada? No.



                                                                     V:             why?



                                                                     I:                 I didn’t apply because they don’t have this program.



                                                                     V:             (摇头) It is hard to believe.



                                                                     I:                 (急了)but it is true. You can search it.



                                                                     V:             (不理偶了,开始看材料。仔细看录取信,大概明白过来了专业的事情,不再纠缠)



                                                                     V         you know, you must show a strong tie to Canada. Do you



                                                                     have a family here?



                                                                     I:                 yes, my husband is here.



                                                                     V:                 when did he come here?



                                                                     I:                     the same time as me.



                                                                     V:             (复摇头) too new, too new..



                                                                     I:                 (郁闷,看着她摇)



                                                                     V         will he go to usa with you?



                                                                     I:                     no.



                                                                     V:                 do you have a letter from him saying he won’t?



                                                                     I:                 (狂分特,这也要,没听说过)NO



                                                                     V:                 does he have a job?



                                                                     I:                     yes.



                                                                     V:                 which company?



                                                                     I:                     ***(其实我也不知道具体叫什么名字,凭印象说了一个)



                                                                     V             Do you have other money?



                                                                     I:                     (心想真是招招见血呀) yes, but they are frozen in the bank in



                                                                     China because I need the bank certificate to get my I-20 form.



                                                                     But I have the certificate here. Do you want to see it?



                                                                     V:                 no.



                                                                     (开始在OF-156上狂写,又扯过一张纸勾了几下,同时拿起一个章,翻到偶护照的最后一页,不由分说盖了下去。可笑的是,发现还是昨天的日子,拿笔描成了18)



                                                                     V         I need some other materials, your husbands employment



                                                                     letter and a letter from him to make sure he won’t go to the



                                                                     united states with you.



                                                                     I:                 two letters?



                                                                     V:             yes.     If you get it today, you can come back today. You



                                                                     can enter the embassy with this form without another



                                                                     appointment and fee. Just show it to the security guard and he



                                                                     will let you in. hand in your materials to window 8.



                                                                     (一下子就把偶的所有材料都推出来了)



                                                                     I         (看着application received的黑章,有点糊涂)how can I find you next



                                                                     time?



                                                                     V:             you need not to find me. It is another VO.



                                                                     I:                 that’s ok.



                                                                     V:             you can leave now.



                                                                     I:                 88. (收拾好东西,落荒而逃)



                                                                     V         886(一眼瞥过,又一个中国GG上)



                                                                        



                                                                     说时迟,那时快,还没来的及紧张呢,发现自己已经身处使馆外的繁华大街上了。看时间才8点半。吃了一记黑章,结果还是生死未卜,不爽啊不爽。



                                                                        



                                                                     (四)



                                                                     周五拿到了那两封信。周一一早又去。夜里做了各种与签证有关的梦,地点不一,有的在北京有的在加拿大还有的在偶的家乡。奇热,约等于一夜没睡。早上肿着眼睛起来了,又在床上赖了会,想反正也不用排队。去的太早了,万一碰上的VOGAFIELD一样憎恨星期一的话,偶岂不是要死的很惨。磨蹭到了8点半,拖拖拉拉的出了门。老公送偶到车站(就是门口),说了无数句好运(偶逼的,他已经没办法了)后,偶爬上有鬼电车,一路无话,到了使馆。



                                                                        



                                                                     2次来熟了,不过多了N个人在门口排队。在里面也排。前后都是中国人,偶看了看,约有一半都是。看来偶们有望把红旗插满全球呀,最起码加拿大现在就是(当然穷苦地方咱们就不要去了)。大家用中文聊天真开心。他们都是一家一家的签B1。偶说了偶的情况,



                                                                     又得到摇头的回答。更有一人建议说,你不就是要个学校的牌子吗?还不如在加拿大先念两年,后两年再转过去呗。偶将来就打算让偶儿子这么办。分特啊分特,还以为偶要念本科呢,555~~~~偶看看她儿子,还没上小学呢吧,将来已经让他妈规划好了,不知道偶们学校的本科让不让这么转的。。。



                                                                        



                                                                     8号窗口竟然无人。偶揿铃,出来一位矮小严肃的华裔妇女。把偶所有材料拿过去了以后,让偶坐在椅子上等着被叫。终于有机会好好看看。房间不大,简陋,偶看还不如邮局呢,比银行更差远了。签的倒挺快的,一会儿工夫,刚才排在偶前后的两家都上去了。过了一刻钟,广播里叫偶的名字去7号,心想完了,还是上次的那个中年妇女。刚张口说出NICE



                                                                     TO MEET U



                                                                     AGAIN,意在换一个,却见她递出粉红卡片一张,告偶说明天下午来取护照及封上的I-20。又把其他材料一股脑的推给了偶。欣喜之余,说了一声HAVE



                                                                     A NICE DAY VOU2。就此结束了偶的二次使馆之行。    



                                                                     (五)



                                                                     2天下午,老公陪偶去取护照,安检时被发现带了一瓶水,给轰了出去。拿护照时居然又碰到了审偶的VO,在帮忙发护照。给了偶护照,还有装I-20的信封,叮嘱偶到入境时给那里的移民官。拿到VISA到偶第一次签证正好一周的时间。



                                                                     出来后给老公看偶的VISA,他开始惨呼当了牺牲品,写了不去美国的自白书。偶说,错!你可没写你不去美国了,只是你不和你LP我一起去美国而已,可以你自己去呀。呵呵,文字游戏嘛。。。



                                                                        



                                                                     终于可以好好享受一下在多伦多的生活了。刚刚开始熟悉这里的环境,又要离开去新的地方了。也许选择了这条路的人们都会这么漂泊下去吧。还要离开偶最亲爱的老公,是偶最不愿意的事情。好在离的不远,假期里都可以回来。



                                                                        



                                                                     (六)



                                                                     再说几点体会吧。



                                                                     1)大家一定要出来看看。好处就不多说了,大家都明白。刚开始生活会艰苦,但是值。艰苦本身就能让人学会很多东西。



                                                                     2)面对签证官,偶已经全然忘了站姿微笑及其他(主要是没来得及准备,刚进去就开始讲了),只是一句一句的你来我往。还差点跟她急了,呵呵。所以自然点最好。



                                                                     3)签证前对自己的情况分析透彻,自己的长处要充分展现,硬伤要想出好的对策,争取能说服VO。事先给自己的分析是:



                                                                     ADVANTAGE:牛校,加拿大PR



                                                                     DISADVANTAGE:在这里的时间短,自己要出一大笔钱(这两点都问到了)



                                                                     感谢偶老公给偶的一贯支持,感谢偶父母在中国一直焦急的等待偶的消息,感谢签证版斑竹VILIN对偶的鼓励,感谢许多网友对偶的祝愿。



                                                                     最后祝所有等待签证的人们都有好运,拿到签证的人学习顺利。











[此贴子已经被作者于2004-3-2 16:13:13编辑过]
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发表于 2004-3-2 15:54:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用uscanmba04在2004-3-2 3:57:00的发言:
楼上这位肯定是在误导。



1。 Canada签去美国F1绝对比国内好签,我朋友去年就是这样签过去的,没有financial aid, 自费,单身女孩子,来加才1年多,这样的案子在北京绝对是很难签过的那种,但是我知道她签证时(在toronto)的interview才10分钟,VO很爽快就签了,最关键的是只要你跟VO阐述清楚你去美国的目的是education,就是要去念书就行了,什么Canadian tie之类的东东纯粹是鬼话。楼上的别不服气,我说的是实情,至少我就知道好多个都是这toronto签过去的。


2。新移民去美国念书要签F1,但是只有financial ststement做好了,一般都没有问题。如果是citizen,去美国念书是不需要签证的,只需要有学校的I20就可以,过关的时候出示这个就行,呆在美国绝对合法。不信可以去美国国务院的网站上看清楚了,拜托不要误导大家。还有就是进了美国后,再回加拿大,只要不超过30天,再回美国也是不需要续签F1的,这和回中国是不一样的。


3。我准备6月份去签,现在的规定是不得早于开学前的90天去签证,不得早于开学前的30天进美国。只有不抽中安检什么的(好像business不是敏感专业),一般都没事。


Good Luck!








Haha, I    don't think it's easy for you to    get through your visa application if you go to Canada in June and just for visa purpose.     In the official website, http://www.amcits.com/visas.asp#student, you have to provide " Proof of ties/residence in country outside the U.S. which have no intentions of abandoning" . Sure you may argue that the "proof of ties in country outside the US" can be ties in Canada or China. However, you do need a very solid reason why you apply for a F-1 Visa in Canada while your ties of country are China. Why didn't you apply the visa in China while all of your financial certificates are from Bank of China (I assume you didn't have any gray income that has been transferred to Bank of Canada, kidding).



Also, the girl you mentioned in your post has been in Canada for one year , which gave her a good reason why she applied her visa in Canada. Also, there are many unmarried young girls with fully selffund who got visa in China too and I knew at least 2 of them and they were not coming to a top school.


So, my point was "don't criticize other's post who may hold different oppinion with you by not having enough information". Afterall, the visa is manytime up to one's luck. Agree?





[此贴子已经被作者于2004-3-2 16:03:07编辑过]
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发表于 2004-3-2 18:06:00 | 只看该作者
不用问别人了,我去年就去签过,因为理由不充分(参观学校),被锯了。我想比国内当然是要概率大一些,但是也并不想想象的那么容易,如果没有strong tie的话,你就得证明你有足够的钱。
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发表于 2004-3-2 23:01:00 | 只看该作者
请问chipmunk:


移民到加可以申请赴美国,一次签证,十年有效的,那种签证,跟到美国读书的不一样吗?


难道还要提交资料重办到美国的读书签证?


如果你办的是到美国参观学校的签证,不何不用那种赴美国,一次签证,十年有效的,那种签证.


不知道我说明白了没有.


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