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楼主
发表于 2005-6-26 10:02:00 | 只看该作者

再问个语法问题

我以前问过一个SVO,doing中doing修饰谁的问题,大部分人支持doing修饰整个句子表伴随,而不是修饰O。


还想问个问题:SVO,done中done修饰谁?我看见过GMAT中有done修饰前面O的现象(相当于done前面省了个which be),但是现在忘了例子。请问done在这里可以修饰S或者整个SVO吗?GMAT中done一般修饰谁?


谢谢!

沙发
 楼主| 发表于 2005-6-27 12:46:00 | 只看该作者

顶一下

板凳
发表于 2005-6-28 09:09:00 | 只看该作者

-ing:


1. SVO, ing在句中, ing修饰前面的名词(OG258B). 但要注意ing结构后面是否出现其他主语, if so, 存在修饰歧义(OG179D)


2. SVO, ing在句尾, ing修饰前面的句子. 这个用法需要注意前面是否有主句套从句的结构(OG120E)


-ed:


ed一般来将修饰前面的O(OG127A)



以上总结不是没有反例, 但一般来讲还是适用的. 做题的时候要遵从优选法, 灵活运用, 靠比较排除选项, 而不是被其桎梏.

地板
 楼主| 发表于 2005-6-28 15:56:00 | 只看该作者
非常感谢薰衣紫草
5#
发表于 2005-6-28 22:46:00 | 只看该作者

刚才看到分词的修饰问题,把我的想法也整理一下,请大家指正!


1、doing/done,SVO 注意分词的逻辑主语与S一致


2、介词/连词+doing/done,SVO 也要注意分词逻辑主语与S一致


3、S,doing/done,V 分词作定语修饰主语(前后一对逗号隔开,相当于定语从句)


   注意:如果出现: “名词,doing,名词”,则会有分词前后的修饰歧义,如179DE,245E


4、SVO doing 分词作定语修饰主语,如 96AC,121C,146E,222A,234B,237E


5、SVO,doing


  A、分词优先作状语


   1)修饰主语(与分词在句首一样,注意逻辑主语),如 33B,39C,44B,120E,163D,256B


   2)修饰主句动作,如 78BD,119B,154A,259A


  B、其次作定语,但没有定语从句清晰,会有修饰歧义,如 253DE,(“,including”除外 249)


6、SVO done 分词作定语修饰O(同4)


7、SVO,done


    A、分词作状语修饰S,如 大全558


    B、分词作定语修饰O,如 127A(分词相当于形容词 253A)



8、doing出现在从句中,特别是时间、条件、原因状从中,注意有修饰歧义,如 大全35A


     例外:doing出现在定语从句中可以,如 OG253B


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6#
发表于 2005-6-29 07:42:00 | 只看该作者

介词/连词+doing/done,SVO 也要注意逻辑主语


这个我觉得不存在逻辑主语的问题, 例如那个without their being, 补出了their反而错误.


SVO,done 分词作定语修饰O,如 127A(分词相当于形容词253A)


大全里面的compared是可以修饰前面主语的, 这个我觉得不可以教条.


用薰衣紫草的话说就是: 做题的时候要遵从优选法, 灵活运用, 靠比较排除选项, 而不是被其桎梏.


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7#
发表于 2005-6-29 08:46:00 | 只看该作者

谢谢Avantasia的指正!


2、介词/连词+doing/done,SVO 也要注意逻辑主语


可能偶没说清楚,这里要注意的是分词的逻辑主语应该是主句主语S,例(大全)


369.        In assessing the problems faced by rural migrant workers, the question of whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant.


(A) In assessing the problems faced by rural migrant workers, the question of whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant.


(B) The question of whether the rural migrant worker is better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant in assessing the problems that they face.


(C) A question that is irrelevant in assessing the problems that rural migrant workers face is whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor.


(D) In an assessment of the problems faced by rural migrant workers, the question of whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant.D


(E) The question of whether the rural migrant worker is better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant in an assessment of the problems that they face.



关于SVO,done中分词修饰前面的主语的用法,确实大全中有一例(偶还没做到,很不好意思地说)


558.        One of four babies are now born to mothers aged thirty years or more, compared with just one of six born in 1975.


(A) of four babies are now born to mothers aged thirty years or more, compared with just one of six born


(B) of four babies is now born to a mother whose age is thirty or older, compared to just one of six babies who were born


(C) baby in four are now born to mothers aged thirty or older, compared to just one in six


(D) baby in four is now born to a mother aged thirty or older, compared with just one in sixD


(E) baby in four is now born to mothers aged thirty years or more, compared to just one in six




8#
发表于 2005-6-29 11:56:00 | 只看该作者

369.        In assessing the problems faced by rural migrant workers, the question of whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant.


(A) In assessing the problems faced by rural migrant workers, the question of whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant.


(B) The question of whether the rural migrant worker is better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant in assessing the problems that they face.


(C) A question that is irrelevant in assessing the problems that rural migrant workers face is whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor.


(D) In an assessment of the problems faced by rural migrant workers, the question of whether they are better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant.D


(E) The question of whether the rural migrant worker is better off materially than the urban working poor is irrelevant in an assessment of the problems that they face.


你的这个例子应该还是算分词在句首要注意逻辑主语的问题里面, 我认为介词+分词在句中前面不能有代词, 大胆推理一步就是这个结构在句中的时候不用考虑逻辑主语.

9#
发表于 2005-6-29 12:28:00 | 只看该作者

你的这个例子应该还是算分词在句首要注意逻辑主语的问题里面,


--就是这个意思!


我认为介词+分词在句中前面不能有代词, 大胆推理一步就是这个结构在句中的时候不用考虑逻辑主语.



对于这点我常有困惑,OG中有些是直接in doing或of doing(例子一下子想不起来),而有些却指出介词+doing缺少动作的发出者,如:


48. The golden crab of the Gulf of Mexico has not been fished commercially in great numbers, primarily on account of living at great depths-- 2,500 to 3,000 feet down.


(A) on account of living


(B) on account of their living


(C) because it lives


(D) because of living


(E)  because they live


As used in choices A, B, and D, the phrases on account of and because of are unidiomatic; because, which appears in C and E, is preferable here since because can introduce a complete subordinate clause explaining the reason why the golden crab has not been fished extensively. B and E also produce agree­ment errors by using the plural pronouns their and they to refer to the singular noun crab. Choice D, like A, fails to provide a noun or pronoun to perform the action of living, but even with its the phrases would be more awkward and less clear than it lives. C, which uses because and it as the singular subject of a clause, is the best choice



是不是因为in doing/of doing默认存在动作的发出者,而像because of living这种结构的动作发出者不清晰?



请教!!


10#
发表于 2005-6-29 13:50:00 | 只看该作者

不愧是ring_cheng, 言简意赅, 一语道破啊!


昨天看到ring_cheng的回帖, 还想今天等脑子清醒了再讨论, 没想到已经被高手们说成这样了, 哎, 又少了个伸手的机会 (更多可能是被拍砖).


记得上次也跟ring_cheng讨论过分词, 好象是colla的总结, 然后我加了些, ring_cheng又补上. 这次又重演. 久逢知己千杯少, 更何况分词修饰在GWD里真是重头戏, 所以再讨论一次也不为过啊!


我觉得Avantasia跟ring_cheng强调了不同的介词结构.


without being句子是要讲一个动作, 而without又表伴随, 所以默认就是伴随主语或者动词.


because of 是一个表原因的介词结构, 后面应该跟一个名词性结构, 所以要用living动名词结构, 而名词特性的词需要有所有格表明其出处, 因此its就应该补上.


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