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(ZZ) Wharton: It was like Chinatown meets Little India there

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发表于 2011-12-1 17:43:15 | 只看该作者
唉。我觉得MBA就是个商业模式,某种程度都像传销了,自己交学费,学校带你满世界的转,请名人来给你讲,到处宣传那些成功的alumni,弄得人人都觉得自己也能超成功有一天,实际上大多数alumni还是过着普通人的小日子。
-- by 会员 yimailme (2011/11/30 16:38:48)



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发表于 2011-12-1 19:57:17 | 只看该作者
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heythere> assuming you just visited, this is nearing the finals for the school. It is also near the time when all the job and internship applications are due. I suspect that if you visit any school nearing the final exams AND nearing the final recruiting deadline, that 'everyone will seem to be in a hurry to go somewhere'. So hopefully you don't hold it against them.

Also bear in mind that you met, at most, 5-10 other applicants while sitting in that room. Since most applicants who sit in that room are able to go to Philly, they tend to be from New York- again, which tends to have a lot of bankers and consultants (not surprising). There are hundreds of other applicants who don't make it to Philly. There are also many of us from non-traditional industries but maybe you got unlucky with your small sample size. The fact remains, however, that these industries are major feeders into business school- go to any business school and again, you'll likely find that >50% of your classmates have once, in their life, worked in finance or consulting. If you don't like that, then maybe you're looking at the wrong masters degree... BTW, this is why fit is important. Not just fit with a school, but fit with business school in general.

That aside, I have found that many "Chinese" or "Indian" students are in fact not from China or India. Many Asians look alike- I personally can't tell a Japanese, Korean, or Chinese apart with 100% certainty without talking to them. Nor can I distinguish Indians, Pakistanis, and sometimes Middle Eastern people. In fact, I was watching a movie last night and (embarassingly) thought one of the Mexican stars was Chinese. Even if they ARE Chinese or Indian, many of them have parents and grandparents who are citizens of the US, and have grown up there. The US, unlike many countries, is seen as a "salad bowl" of cultures- racial diversity is prized, but everyone is also "American". If you take the time to get to know a Chinese American, for instance, you may find them far more 'American' than 'Chinese', race not withstanding.

Finally, bear in mind that Wharton is one of the only business schools in the USA which has an undergraduate business programmes. Maybe many of the "people rushing to go somewhere", or even the "Chinese" or "Indian" students, were just not MBA students. It is my personal experience that the undergraduates at Wharton are extremely intense- far more so than my classmates at UChicago during my undergraduate days.

You are entitled to your own opinion, of course, and I am glad you exercised this right. After all, and I can't stress this enough, "fit" is CRITICAL- not just for whether you can get in, but whether you'll get a lot our of the experience. So kudos to you, for discovering that Wharton is not a good fit for you. I just wanted to clarify the situation- things are not always as simple as they seem on the surface. (In fact, they almost never are).

PS, this is an issue that strikes very close to my heart. At Wharton, I was head of the Volunteer Admissions Committee. We were a group of volunteers who helped bring applicants around, show them to classes, introduce them to fellow classmates, and so on. We were volunteers- unpaid, with our own commitments, but nonetheless expected to show up everyday, rain or shine, to help people whom, in all honesty, we'll see once and never again. But we did it without complaints, although I admit try as we might, sometimes we were stretched just because there were so many applicants coming into Wharton every day. I even cut class a few times to bring applicants around. So do cut them some slack!
-- by 会员 cannedpineapples (2011/11/29 13:23:56)

果断6分作文,3个逻辑错误,加总结及对策。斑竹当年作文肯定高分。
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发表于 2011-12-2 04:23:46 | 只看该作者
楼主写的东西中间很多感觉好像也是美国同学提过的普遍感受。自己没去过,不评论
之前跟一些Recruiter聊天,他们说有些学校的学生不懂怎么talk with people,就是interpersonal skill太差(没特指Wharton啊,应该也不是一个学校让人有这种感觉)。。。
之前和一些Stanford的同学聊过,感觉不错,就知道什么叫nice, easy going和excellence without attitude
很多好学校确实有很明显的“拽”。。。当然啦,人家也确实是好学校,所以拽也不是没道理
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发表于 2011-12-2 05:03:37 | 只看该作者
确实是抱着赏析的心情看滴。。。

heythere> assuming you just visited, this is nearing the finals for the school. It is also near the time when all the job and internship applications are due. I suspect that if you visit any school nearing the final exams AND nearing the final recruiting deadline, that 'everyone will seem to be in a hurry to go somewhere'. So hopefully you don't hold it against them.

Also bear in mind that you met, at most, 5-10 other applicants while sitting in that room. Since most applicants who sit in that room are able to go to Philly, they tend to be from New York- again, which tends to have a lot of bankers and consultants (not surprising). There are hundreds of other applicants who don't make it to Philly. There are also many of us from non-traditional industries but maybe you got unlucky with your small sample size. The fact remains, however, that these industries are major feeders into business school- go to any business school and again, you'll likely find that >50% of your classmates have once, in their life, worked in finance or consulting. If you don't like that, then maybe you're looking at the wrong masters degree... BTW, this is why fit is important. Not just fit with a school, but fit with business school in general.

That aside, I have found that many "Chinese" or "Indian" students are in fact not from China or India. Many Asians look alike- I personally can't tell a Japanese, Korean, or Chinese apart with 100% certainty without talking to them. Nor can I distinguish Indians, Pakistanis, and sometimes Middle Eastern people. In fact, I was watching a movie last night and (embarassingly) thought one of the Mexican stars was Chinese. Even if they ARE Chinese or Indian, many of them have parents and grandparents who are citizens of the US, and have grown up there. The US, unlike many countries, is seen as a "salad bowl" of cultures- racial diversity is prized, but everyone is also "American". If you take the time to get to know a Chinese American, for instance, you may find them far more 'American' than 'Chinese', race not withstanding.

Finally, bear in mind that Wharton is one of the only business schools in the USA which has an undergraduate business programmes. Maybe many of the "people rushing to go somewhere", or even the "Chinese" or "Indian" students, were just not MBA students. It is my personal experience that the undergraduates at Wharton are extremely intense- far more so than my classmates at UChicago during my undergraduate days.

You are entitled to your own opinion, of course, and I am glad you exercised this right. After all, and I can't stress this enough, "fit" is CRITICAL- not just for whether you can get in, but whether you'll get a lot our of the experience. So kudos to you, for discovering that Wharton is not a good fit for you. I just wanted to clarify the situation- things are not always as simple as they seem on the surface. (In fact, they almost never are).

PS, this is an issue that strikes very close to my heart. At Wharton, I was head of the Volunteer Admissions Committee. We were a group of volunteers who helped bring applicants around, show them to classes, introduce them to fellow classmates, and so on. We were volunteers- unpaid, with our own commitments, but nonetheless expected to show up everyday, rain or shine, to help people whom, in all honesty, we'll see once and never again. But we did it without complaints, although I admit try as we might, sometimes we were stretched just because there were so many applicants coming into Wharton every day. I even cut class a few times to bring applicants around. So do cut them some slack!
-- by 会员 cannedpineapples (2011/11/29 13:23:56)

果断6分作文,3个逻辑错误,加总结及对策。斑竹当年作文肯定高分。


-- by 会员 Freeland54 (2011/12/1 19:57:17)


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发表于 2011-12-3 17:09:20 | 只看该作者
Some Wharton student speaks like this, I think it is not uncommon for somebody in U.S.:

You know, Wharton bombards me with frequent fundraising solicitations. The most recent was a postcard that showed pictures of seven current students, but only one of them represented my demographic (white male, born in the USA). It's always like this with them. And my feeling is that the US government sends enough of my money abroad through its foreign aid programs. If I felt like more, I'd give the money to UNICEF, not to Wharton. And whereas I'm not unsympathetic to affirmative action for AMERICANS (mind you, there were no black people on the front of that post card), I don't feel like subsidizing the opportunity to attend Wharton for foreigners. So I don't give them a dime.

Moreover, oftentimes we take vacations in the United States not just to save money but to be among people like ourselves. It's just too strenuous or more foreign than we'd bargained for to go abroad, especially to places like China or India. If this is true of a vacation, it is a fortiori truer still of two or more years spent at an educational institution.

It is important not to allow oneself to be bullied or shouted down by people crying racist or xenophobe in response to an expression of normal and natural preference to be around people of one's own nationality, people who speak one's own language without an accent.

Two points.

First, if I thought that the best opportunities lay in China and India, then I'd go to school in those countries, subject, of course, to restrictions on immigration set by the governments of those countries (it is usually the case the US citizens get the short end when it comes to opportunities to work abroad).

Second, Wharton is an American school, as is every kindergarten, primary school, middle school, and high school in the 50 states. You're arguing that every school in the United States should have 50% of its student body come from India and China. That seems absurd. Moreover, you're making an argument that every school in every country all over the world should draw 50% of its student body from India and China. Again, that seems absurd. Any country is a country because its native population share a common history and institutions. The institutions of that country belong to its population and are not a common possession of the world.

If I were doing it again, I would not go to Wharton (even though I could not have enjoyed it more, learned more, or benefited more from the experience).
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