求选校！！急急急~~~SSE半奖 vs ESADE小奖cover40%

aluzeing

cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-15 20:03
1. It is about keeping an option available.
2. 說過了.
3. What I mean is not about the approval of ...

1.问题是这个是真实存在的option吗? 如果不是，何必考虑呢
2.刚刚写的有typo，我有认识意大利学校毕业的意大利人，只会英文，照样可以申请到北欧一线公司的职位。特别是这种小语种国家，没什么太大区别
3.你还是在用瑞士的思路去想其他欧洲国家，说白了，真的多给你3个月你就能找到工作了? 能找到好的，早就找完了
4.同2，我还真没遇到过大公司说你路途太远我不要了。

2个哪怕在一个水平，但是学费和生活费还是不一样的，教学体验也不一样的。我的意思是，不用动不动因为南欧经济差就把南欧所有的学校都一股脑枪毙了，bocconi在伦敦做banking的，不见得就比SSE少

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2016-4-15 20:16
1.问题是这个是真实存在的option吗? 如果不是，何必考虑呢
2.刚刚写的有typo，我有认识意大利学校毕业的意大利人，只会英文，照样可以申请到北欧一线公司的职位。特别是这种小语种国家，没什么太大区别
3.你还是在用瑞士的思路去想其他欧洲国家，说白了，真的多给你3个月你就能找到工作了? 能找到好的，早就找完了
4.同2，我还真没遇到过大公司说你路途太远我不要了。

2个哪怕在一个水平，但是学费和生活费还是不一样的，教学体验也不一样的。我的意思是，不用动不动因为南欧经济差就把南欧所有的学校都一股脑枪毙了，bocconi在伦敦做banking的，不见得就比SSE少

1. Yes, I do consider it as a possible option. I do know/hear someone working part with a student visa in both Germany, Switzerland and Sweden.

2. Please refer to #20.

3. It is not only about post-study job seeking, but also about other visa. For example, you can get a Germany PR in 24 months instead of 60 months if you have a German degree (in case no blue card). I also heard that France has some discount on years to get passport for those who study there. As I said, I am not sure if these type of stuffs holds for Italy / Sweden, but this shows visa regulation can varies across different countries in Europe and should be taken into consideration.

4. Please refer to #20. (did your #21 imply that this can happen in mid-small companies?)

For sure in terms of London banking, Bocconi is nothing worse than SSE. I guess they are similar level indeed.
But we all know that banking position in London is always competitive, and thus it is nice to have a local job market as a back up to make life easier.
It won't be the end of the day if there doesn't exist one, and at the end one will be a solution, but this will create much more trouble which are not necessary at all.

I wont say all school in Italy/Spain is not a choice since the economic enviornment, but just put this as a factor of consideration.
For example, I will suggest SSE over Bocconi, but what if CBS? I guess I will definitly vote for Bocconi then.


Of course it is also nice for you and me to list out what kind of potential problems & solution that are existing.
At the end there may be someone really enjoy the sun in Italy way more than me.

aluzeing

1. 还是那句话，我认识几个SSE毕业的瑞典人（5个左右）都告诉我，根本读书时间没空兼职，当然时间有些久远（2010前毕业的），所以也可能有信息不准确。你说你有认识瑞典有兼职，是SSE的吗，不是的话，就没有讨论价值了吧
2. 除非语言天赋迥异或者超级有毅力，否则2年根本不可能掌握一种语言。会说点皮毛有什么用呢，招聘的时候很简单，达到工作水平或者没有达到。按照瑞典语的难度和瑞典人英语的水平，估计锻炼英文的机会反而多不少
3. 什么能拿长居基本都是学生天天忧愁的问题，有工作了的都知道，真的想拿哪个国家都是熬而已，时间长短又有什么区别呢。而且你说的德国信息也不正确，德国毕业没有拿到蓝卡的还是需要5年，只有蓝卡才是快速，但这个不仅限德国毕业，工资过线就是了。印象中，瑞典工签永居都不难，你真的在AstraZeneca / Vattenfall 这种有工作, 哪里毕业都不是问题
4. 中小公司一般都要本地语言，所以哪里读书都申请不到．大公司/咨询/银行都会付钱让你飞去面试。

我的观点还是你告诉别人选择是免学费或者一般学费＋瑞典工作可能，这种定论太武断了。没人说Bocconi毕业只能在意大利找工作，说白了，SSE毕业可以申请的英文职位，bocconi毕业一样可以申请。

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2016-4-16 04:00
1. 还是那句话，我认识几个SSE毕业的瑞典人（5个左右）都告诉我，根本读书时间没空兼职，当然时间有些久远（2010前毕业的），所以也可能有信息不准确。你说你有认识瑞典有兼职，是SSE的吗，不是的话，就没有讨论价值了吧
2. 除非语言天赋迥异或者超级有毅力，否则2年根本不可能掌握一种语言。会说点皮毛有什么用呢，招聘的时候很简单，达到工作水平或者没有达到。按照瑞典语的难度和瑞典人英语的水平，估计锻炼英文的机会反而多不少
3. 什么能拿长居基本都是学生天天忧愁的问题，有工作了的都知道，真的想拿哪个国家都是熬而已，时间长短又有什么区别呢。而且你说的德国信息也不正确，德国毕业没有拿到蓝卡的还是需要5年，只有蓝卡才是快速，但这个不仅限德国毕业，工资过线就是了。印象中，瑞典工签永居都不难，你真的在AstraZeneca / Vattenfall 这种有工作, 哪里毕业都不是问题
4. 中小公司一般都要本地语言，所以哪里读书都申请不到．大公司/咨询/银行都会付钱让你飞去面试。

我的观点还是你告诉别人选择是免学费或者一般学费＋瑞典工作可能，这种定论太武断了。没人说Bocconi毕业只能在意大利找工作，说白了，SSE毕业可以申请的英文职位，bocconi毕业一样可以申请。

1. seems yes, but i don't remember exactly too....a bit too long time ago.Sleep less and travel less,  and then one will have a bit more time.

3. I guess you are not updated enough about the regulation then. Check Section 18b No. 1.
Getting PR is of course a matter of time, but.........it is also a timer that one has to worry about losing the job and need to leave (=> also job mobility)

P.S. what I mean in the comparison is like:
chances in Sweden vs tution waiver
= (chances in Sweden vs tuition waiver) + chances in other Europe countries (e.g. London/Frankfurt/etc...)
= (chances in Sweden + chances in other Europe countries) vs (tuition waiver + chances in other Europe countries)

this elimation makes prefect sense since those that are the same among the two no longer matter at all any more in comparison / decision.

aluzeing

cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-18 06:04
1. seems yes, but i don't remember exactly too....a bit too long time ago.Sleep less and travel les ...

你还是学生吧，如果自己都还没有申请过德国工作签证，还是不要在这里多说了。。。
http://www.bamf.de/EN/Infothek/FragenAntworten/BlaueKarteEU/blaue-karte-eu-node.html

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2016-4-18 20:22
你还是学生吧，如果自己都还没有申请过德国工作签证，还是不要在这里多说了。。。
http://www.bamf.de/EN/Infothek/FragenAntworten/BlaueKarteEU/blaue-karte-eu-node.html

我可以說你這個(#25)由頭錯到尾...........

There is more than one way to speed up the process of getting a PR.
你用一個EU blue care website, of course it will only show the fact and legal basis behind blue card, i.e. 19a.
and dont mention any other things else.

Check the Residence Act first before talking about this if you have not idea about it.


其實就算閣下申請過德國的working premit, 也不一定代表你知道的.
這世界往往不止一種方法的.

因為自己只知道方法A, 而不知道方法B, 就斷然說只有A沒有B的話, 這種做法是很可笑的.

In order to show that how you are wrong in this issue, I do some basic copy and paste work:

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_aufenthg/englisch_aufenthg.html
Section 18b
Settlement permit for graduates of German universities
A foreigner who has successfully completed his or her studies at a state or state-recognised university or a comparable educational establishment in the federal territory shall be granted a settlement permit, if
1.  he or she has held a residence title pursuant to Sections 18, 18a, 19a or 21 for two years,
2.  he or she has a job commensurate with his or her degree,
3.  he or she has paid compulsory or voluntary contributions into the statutory pension scheme for at least 24 months or furnishes evidence of an entitlement to comparable benefits from an insurance or pension scheme or from an insurance company, and
4.  the requirements of Section 9 (2), sentence 1, nos. 2, and 4 to 9 are met; Section 9 (2), sentences 2 to 6 shall apply mutatis mutandis.

aluzeing

cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-18 20:27
我可以說你這個(#25)由頭錯到尾...........

There is more than one way to speed up the process of get ...

我现在就是德国蓝卡但我没德国学位，2年后可以换永居。没有必要再辩论你自己不知道的东西了吧

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2016-4-18 22:24
我现在就是德国蓝卡但我没德国学位，2年后可以换永居。没有必要再辩论你自己不知道的东西了吧 ...

to be precise, if you are a EU blue card holder, you need 21 months (or 33 months) to get PR, but not 2 year.

seems there is some problem with your reading skills.
What I written in #22 is: "For example, you can get a Germany PR in 24 months instead of 60 months if you have a German degree (in case no blue card). "
What the hell the point of using yourself (德国蓝卡但我没德国学位) as an counter example of this?

aluzeing

cheesechan 发表于 2016-4-18 22:28
to be precise, if you are a EU blue card holder, you need 21 months (or 33 months) to get PR, but  ...

我的例子告诉你，不用德国学位照样可以申请蓝卡，德国蓝卡的要求是工资不是学位。
德国学位唯一的优势只是申请蓝卡的工资线略低罢了，但不代表你一毕业就肯定给你蓝卡，没有过钱照样5年。没有申请过，请不要瞎举例子了

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2016-4-18 22:33
我的例子告诉你，不用德国学位照样可以申请蓝卡，德国蓝卡的要求是工资不是学位。
德国学位唯一的优势只是申请蓝卡的工资线略低罢了，但不代表你一毕业就肯定给你蓝卡，没有过钱照样5年。没有申请过，请不要瞎举例子了

又一個差不多全錯的帖..........

1. the only way to get a lower 申请蓝卡的工资线 is to be in certain shortage sectors, but not holding a german degree. (residence act Section 19a. (2) 3)

2. Germany EU blue card 要求的既是工资不是亦要学位. A regonized bachelor is a basic requirement of it. (residence act Section 19a. (1) 1 a.)

3. what I mean is, if one had a german degree, one can get PR faster than someone get a France degree, if they both don't have a blue card. (residence act Section 18b. 1)
(of course holding a German degree or not doesn't matter anymore when one is qualified for a blue card there, but what if one don't get the blue care required salary?)

It is very clear now that a blue card holder like you have no clear idea about the rule indeed.
閣下對這方面的認知既貧乏又自以為正確, 但偏偏又不看regulation.
所以就這個問題我就不再浪費時間回覆了.

奉勸一句, 自己不清楚其他的沒所謂(反正用不著), 別誤導他人就是了.