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Former NSHMBA Career Counselor每周一MBA生涯公益解惑日:如何大量秒杀常春藤MBA录取及面邀

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发表于 2014-6-30 16:35:28 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
古谚有云:「天行健,君子以自强不息。」也有云:「君子有成人之美。」小弟有幸在美国最大MBA征才会NSHMBA上,担任官方首位华人职涯顾问,咨询过来自Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg等世界顶尖的各国MBA毕业生如何追寻自我,看到学历光环所带来的容华愿景,也看尽被世俗牵着走的迷茫与哀凄。在CD上,从早年爬文钻研考试与申请,到MBA时担任奖学金审委,分享评选要点;于进入美国猎头时,代表公司在站上提供义务点评,到近年担任「CD Career」杂志「答疑解惑」专栏主笔,一晃眼就是十年,可说渊源颇深,持续分享反馈。然而苦于每月仅有寥寥几篇答疑,难有频繁互动,冲击有限。直到近日发文时收到各路邀约,邮箱信息混乱难以统整,回文也散落各处,造成版众对于MBA生涯管理难以窥探究竟,索性开帖分享,送佛送上天!

本帖属义务性质,为避免忙季应接不暇,有负版友期望,预计采行CD Career杂志「答疑解惑」专栏模式,选择代表性问题解答,面向涵盖各式MBA申请与职涯疑难解答。有空就回,没空也尽可能至少每周回覆一篇,但若力有未殆,还请不要见怪。人各有志,看法见人见智,请以正面开放思考看待,禁止无谓负面争斗。本人所知有限,仅就长年经验与观察发表看法,欢迎开放讨论,教学相长~

录取操之在人,生涯操之在己。期望能将华人生涯管理专业,带往世界水平!

Sincerely,
David 李

发表于 2014-7-2 11:17:58 | 显示全部楼层
David is very professional and insightful with enthusiasm! I personally learn a lot and get so much inspiration from him. Thank so much for his generous help. Take your chance to throw questions lol~~
 楼主| 发表于 2014-7-2 17:51:36 | 显示全部楼层
Thanks for your compliment~
Maybe you can demonstrate how to ask questions to kick-off this thread
It'll be inviting for others!


Sincerely,
David
发表于 2014-7-9 14:41:08 | 显示全部楼层
dl0222 发表于 2014-7-2 17:51
Thanks for your compliment~
Maybe you can demonstrate how to ask questions to kick-off this thread
I ...

Hi David,

Here I got a question about career shift:

I quitted my job from a fortune 500 company in April and currently take responsibiliy in a NGO to provide consulting service. Given that my short-term goal is consulting and long-term goal is public sector,

1.which would be the proper choice: find another job to fill the "gap" or simply continue the NGO work?
2.is it ok to put NGO experience under WORK EXPERIENCE in the resume?
3.I remember you mentioned that those applicants who had a career shift with clear goal and motive before applicaiton are even more likey to be admitted. How could we make the best of the career shift?

Thank you so much!

 楼主| 发表于 2014-7-9 19:02:38 | 显示全部楼层
Hi, brfmzbjz,

I’ve got a client with similar background like you few years ago, and already graduated from Kellogg MBA! So don’t worry about listing only one F500 job and another NGO experience~

The key questions AO would ask are: why NGO in short-term and public sector in long-term? Do these goals relevant with your previous F500 experience? Why do you need an MBA from their schools and why now?
Don’t worry, as long as you have a strong cause for these goals, and a strong demand for specific curriculum or academic resources, plus your hard candidacy, you should be fine to get into top b-schools.

The questions are two-fold: a. Your real career development footprint, especially on developing specific skill set targeting particular NGO functions, and b. Admission demand from b-schools.

NGO and public sector careers are two very different paths, but are both typically low-compensated paths. So first, when all b-schools are aiming to advance their own rankings for future financial prosperity, they’re more likely to first admit candidates more possibly to earn higher salary at graduation. So “strategically”, unless the NGO goal is so important both to yourself and the society in global scale, and you need a competitive MBA so bad from particular schools which have strong missions like you, such as HBS, Yale SOM, UNC Kenan-Flagler, Georgetown McDonough, etc., then the goal will certainly work for you. However, you may expect most b-schools have a bigger appetite for career options with higher compensation at graduation. If this is a concern for you, then you might want to consider don’t claim these goals, at least not for short-term.

NGO is a professional experience for sure, and it should be listed on your resume as an official job. Nevertheless, it’s intriguing when you’re asking whether to find another job besides NGO you currently work for, especially as a consultant. Just a wild guess, your NGO consulting job is not really making you grow too much. If so, then that’s a great sign from few perspectives: a. You’re really eager for growth! The "drive" for success is a MUST for top b-schools which claim to educate world-class leaders. b. Probably from the bottom of your heart, there are other career options than NGO or public sector, and you might be wandering whether you should keep walking this NGO path or switch to other options. If so, a deeper look into your career drivers is needed, so as to truly dig out your enthusiasm, and make them a feasible career. And later examine your why MBA accordingly.

The ideal career management is to develop self-awareness, so as to achieve ultimate fulfillment that truly reflects your values and only belongs to you. Only your authentic enjoyable skills can lead you to that Utopia. After consulting thousands of cases, who mostly graduated from their MBAs for years and have thrived on their fulfillment, I notice school names seldom play big role in their lives. Only self-awareness can set you free from irrelevant desire.
发表于 2014-7-13 22:35:08 | 显示全部楼层
Hi David,

First of all, thanks for your generous thread. I read your comments in this and other threads and they are truly helpful to lots of applicants.

My question is also about career shift and its linkage to my career goal.

I have 5 years of working experience so far after graduation, with 1.5 years in a top marketing research firm (focus on consumer research), 2.5 years in a top management consulting firm (focus on pharmaceutical and consumer goods), and 1 year so far in a top 5 pharmaceutical company (focus on strategic project management and BD).

My short-term goal is healthcare VC/PE (managing different business for others), and long-term wise is to be the business leader of healthcare sector given its large potential to be tapped in China, eg, managing private hospitals/ nursing homes in China. (probably managing the business of my own)

1. Since I made a career change one year prior to the application, would it be more convincing to say that my career goal is to be the GM of the pharmaceutical company, rather than VC/PE? What is your suggestion?
2. Would AO question my frequent career shift? (though this is what I cannot change now, but if they will, is there any good suggestions on how to tackle this kind of question?)

Thank you very much!
 楼主| 发表于 2014-7-17 18:02:00 | 显示全部楼层
Wow!
You’re a very competitive career pursuer!
It’s quite impressive that you've jumped from marketing research to top management consulting and then to top pharma player!

AO don’t care about how many times you have switched jobs, but they care about your true passion and growth, whether your goals are feasible, and whether you really need the personalized education from their institutions.

Meanwhile, there is no “AO” in your life.
The only AO of your life is yourself.
So be honest to yourself, not to AO or anyone else.

Why healthcare?
It depends on the relevance with your college major, and whether it is your passion. AO would ask "Do you have passion for healthcare? Why? Why not other fields? What’s your motive for healthcare? Tell me your story about healthcare.”

Meanwhile, no matter what career goals you have, they only sustain when you have the "drive". And since no one knows what will happen in future, the best predictor is your past. What have you done to develop a career in healthcare, and why?

From my point of view, there’s a breakthrough between your 2nd and 3rd job stepping into healthcare industry. However, it seems the twist came out of nowhere. If so, only this career twist alone is not really convincing to project a life-long career conviction in medical field.

Do you have finance background? Or it’ll be even less convincing to secure a VC/PE career when you've switched from a marketing research to management consulting to BD in healthcare.

When you mentioned GM, did you mean becoming a General Manager or doing a general management function? Be very careful about a General Manager goal, since everyone else says the same thing. You need to have a very steep track record to prove you can really reach this goal. And never put this General Manager goal for short-term, since it simply won’t happen. If you meant a general management function, then it’ll be easier to understand, while be more specific and logical about this aim. A clearer why to grow yourself into this role from a BD function is a must.

Another thing you can ask yourself is, what would you do if your healthcare plan won’t work? Go back to your genuine passion and personality for more leads may help.

As long as there’s an authentic drive in any given field, DO IT! AO will support your cause naturally~

Hope these help~


Sincerely,
David


发表于 2014-7-28 14:19:26 | 显示全部楼层
dl0222 发表于 2014-7-17 18:02
Wow!
You’re a very competitive career pursuer!
It’s quite impressive that you've jumped from marke ...

Hi David,

Sincere thanks to your comprehensive answers, which are really helpful! All the “why” questions you raised really triggered me to further reflect on my true passion. Especially these 3 sentences, I like them very much!

Meanwhile, there is no “AO” in your life.
The only AO of your life is yourself.
So be honest to yourself, not to AO or anyone else.


Not sure if I could further share with you my deep-dive thoughts recently, or I need to save the opportunity for others… but it seems there is no further threads below me, I will take the chance.

Please help to see if they are convincing now.

Actually to be a management consultant was my career goal upon my graduation. However, 2009 was not a good year, and I did not secure myself a place in my ideal firm. That is why I started my career in a marketing research firm. After the economy started to recover in 2011, I strived to make the first switch and realized my initial career goal.

As a consultant, I was a good performer and really felt the sense of career accomplishment by solving high-level complex business issues. Meanwhile, I started to ask myself, what if I can work even closer with the client, to help and observe the company grow, in the perspective of a long-term relationship, rather than short-term assignment. Wouldn't that be more accomplishing? Wouldn't that be a breakthrough of my career? With those thoughts in mind, I started to investigate on how I can become a qualified investor, and what do I need to do to transform from a consultant to an investor.

My consulting experience would definitely be beneficial to the commercial-wise skills, but I have two weaknesses: industry know-how, and finance background (my undergraduate major was marketing, with a second degree in accounting)

To fulfil my industry know-how, I made my second career twist from consulting to a pharmaceutical company. Here comes the difficult question of why healthcare. It is quite a shame that I actually did not think it through. It was totally an opportunity that came by… but after a deep dive, I might give 2 motives, one from internal - a personal story that drive to me to pursue this field, another from external - China’s promising environment, large gap to bridge with mature healthcare systems, etc. The key messege would be: though I am not a medical background guy, I have strong business mind and long-lasting willingness to contribute to the healthcare industry.

Unexpectedly, in corporate, I not only gained the very practical operation-wise experience, but also exercised my leadership as a project manager as well as communication skills. Then the only piece I am short of to fulfil my career goal is concrete and integrated finance knowledge, and that is what MBA could grant me – to contribute to the last piece of my goal.

So the last question is: what if the plan did not work out. From the bottom of my heart, I asked myself again and again, the answer is I would return to consulting. To solve complex issues in a challenging business environment and to share the success of others are something that can always attract me, keep me motivated, and where I can excel.


 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-25 12:23:29 | 显示全部楼层
NSHMBA Counselor thread Steven.djm
http://forum.chasedream.com/foru ... ght=former%2Bnshmba

Hi, Steven

Sorry that I cannot have answered these questions earlier due to very busy schedule...

There are many questions in this post. First and foremost is why consulting; also why investing and why healthcare, especially the internal motive you’ve mentioned.

Meanwhile, you can look at these career questions not only from the viewpoint of yourself, but also from the viewpoint of the society, and its relevance with your core values, such as your interests, personal traits, abilities, etc.

For instance, your main motive of consulting is “to solve complex business problems”, and from a societal perspective, it can be “the medical doctor of enterprises”. Otherwise, the single-minded motive might lead to over-analysis and lose focus just for personal pleasure.

A medical doctor can have long-term relationship with patients, and so does a consultant. I guess that’s why most of my clients come back even after graduating from MBA for years. Once they have career questions, no matter in which stage of their lives, they’ll come back to me. Hence it’s naturally a life-long partnership, as long as you’re a dedicated and passionate consultant.

Meanwhile, investor is a very different role to enterprises, since it’s not “partnership”, but “ownership”, and anyone can be an investor as long as you’re rich! You can buy anything as long as you have money~ You’ll be the owner of your house, your car, and also your enterprises.

As a consultant, you offer a “mindset”, and instead of possessing particular industrial know-how, you keep “learning", “digesting”, and “advancing" better management and leadership practices from diverse fields. That’s how I do. Since by definition, one can never work across every industry and every function. So instead, I work with clients from all kinds of industries and functions so as to develop consulting know-how. So no need to feel sad about no industrial know-how, but celebrate it! What clients need is not a better industrial know-how, since most of them have been in their fields for decades, but they need a fresh perspective and professional mindset to help them get out of the situation.

For investment and healthcare, every professional has different motives, yet all highly personal. One of my client became physical therapist simply because his grandma was paralyzed from stroke and later past away. Another client became investor since high school since he’s been fascinated by the excitement of arbitrage. There’re plenty of tools to develop self-awareness, and the ultimate goal of career management is to help people find out who they are, and who they aren’t. We might need a deeper look into your life to find out whether you’re a consultant or an investor.

Hope these help~


Sincerely,
David


 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-11 17:15:09 | 显示全部楼层
本文出自David Lee's MBA Career Management
http://mbacareerfitter.blogspot.tw/2014/09/mba_11.html

如何写出录取哈佛、耶魯獎學金、MIT、西北、哥大等MBA,及获麦肯锡青睐的簡历

麦肯锡也需要人才
哈佛也需要学生
知己知彼,百战不殆
搞清楚自己的驱动力与价值观,并且了解对方的策略需求
才能创造双赢

根据史上最畅销生涯管理书”What Color Is Your Parachute? (这样求职才能成功)”一书的论述,
根据统计,簡历平均被阅读的时间只有22秒
像看报纸一样,没人把簡历看完的
簡历的重点也不是要把做过的事全部列上
而是要策略性的传达关键讯息,以满足劳资双方的价值供需
见表要见人

雇主的逻辑是,当前有特专人才需求,要找到一个不仅满足这项职务需求的人才,最好能超越期望,并且可能要能跟他相处到退休
因此要找到一个对此项职务有长期热诚的人,性格要自然吻合此特专职务的条件,
也要同时能够长期相处,不要矫揉造作,不要无头苍蝇,不要崇尚光环,不然「水某嘛ㄟ对人走」

而MBA申请是在模拟就业流程,因为就业数字是排名的领导指标之一
并从大量申请文件之中,找出各类背景的代表,来做最大组合,成为一个能产生最大互动的班级,
用以与其他同级名校做出策略区隔
而要成为某领域的顶尖,必须要有强大的热诚,以及长期专注的累积,也就是全球畅销书「Outlier」里所提到的「一万小时定律」,在某专注领域中,每天八小时,需时五年
然而古今中外的伟人,少说都是十年、二十年以上的努力
要有如此强大的专注力,必须要有高度的自我了解,才能做自己所爱
这也是为什么申请交战守则之一的「MBA Applications Strategy」一书中提出的
「行销导向申请策略」与「同类型背景一起比」的论述
并且全书主旨在于「Who You Are」,可以衍申为How you fit-in the opportunity、What makes you happy,及What's your role within the community

那么要如何写出录取顶尖名校甚至领导企业的簡历呢
首先要了解自己的兴趣、动机,与性格特性
再来要了解学校、企业的需求,以及其业内的竞争关系

先从基本的简历写作讲起
每个点要以「技能动词」的过去式开头,讲出成就事件的具体规模及(而不是职务说明),以及所产生的量化或质化的结果
“Led six-personnel team to execute three-month-long marketing campaign, penetrating market share by 7%”
为何不是写职务说明呢?因为经验老到的雇主及招生委员们,光看你的title,就大概知道你的工作内容为何
他们感兴趣的是,你最大的能力为何,能否补足企业、班级内的开缺需求?
为什么你会具备这样的能力?是否有累积性?是否能带领企业向前?你是否知道产业的未来在哪?

真正的重点,并不是个点之间有何惊奇,而是点与点之间是否堆叠出清楚的生涯方向与社会贡献
而这些方向与贡献,是否与求职单位或申请学校有关?能否协助他们突破竞争?
例如:MIT往年都不问career goals,只用一题更难的cover letter模拟求职,并且在用另外三小题来突显力排众议、激励团队,与领导能力。而校方网站也主打「Entrepreneurship」与「Innovation」两点,更以SIP创业周与100K创业竞赛奖金为招牌。显然主打的就是以创业及研发见长、坐落在矽谷旁的史丹佛。然而,由于地利上难占优势(科技、创业都在西岸),近年出现毕业生大量创业、产生就业率与高薪不保的危机,再这样下去将会危及两项最关键的排名指标,因此MIT近两年将目标转为动辄十二万美金年薪的管顧业,瞄准起同样靠转型成功、有40%毕业生进入管顧业的西北来了。连题目也略同,为自己写一份推荐信,对自己做彻底分析。当了解了这样的竞争态势之后,自然会了解自己是否有管顧业「企业医生」的特质,若有,则应对症下药,将过去的资历中,吻合管顧业的技能做策略性的展现;相反的,若无,则甚至根本不需要浪费时间申请,因为进去了也无法帮你达成自身生涯,这样反而会空有校名,白念一场。会出现半推半就进入与学校关系良好的企业,但毕业一年后,学生却大量转职的现象。甚至有遇过个案进入前十名校MBA双主修,毕业后一年竟然回到原公司原职务上班的窘境。这样就白白浪费青春与庞大财务负担了。

雇主及招生委员会注意几样关键:
就生涯进程方面,成就是否有累积?是否连贯,还是跳跃?中间是否有中断(career gap)?
是否有明确的生涯目标进程?为何离职?是否有高度自我了解?是否有社会贡献?此社会价值是否与招聘单位的使命吻合?
就专业技能方面,是否有雇主、招生委员所需求的技能?此技能是否为同业顶尖?是否全面?能否训练?量化与分析能力是否具竞争力?是否处理过复杂案例?是否成为业界领导级人物?
在团队合作与沟通方面,是否能领导?是否能被领导?是否能团队合作与沟通?性格是否成熟?能否进行大规模团队项目?能否独立作业?
在个人资讯方面,此人是否能长期相处?是否有生活乐趣?兴趣背后是否有清晰的性格元素?此类元素是否与生涯进程吻合?

当你的自我了解清晰,自然会出现明确的生涯主轴,也自然会发现求职企业或申请学校的需求是否吻合。当供需吻合时,自然会一拍即合,出现大量隔天面试、周内录取,甚至面试隔天拿全奖的现象。
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